<nephele_jabberfr>
Anarchos: if you build it yourself that should't happen. can you share the log?
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<Begasus[m]>
g'morning peeps
<OscarL>
hello Begasus[m], nephele_jabberfr.
<OscarL>
maybe Anarchos' build it without specifying a profile (@nightly-raw, or whatever), and is missing SSL or something like that?
<Begasus[m]>
Hola OscarL nephele_jabberfr
<OscarL>
Not sure if doing so gave exactly those "checksum" errors, though, but I remember reading something along those lines before.
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<nephele>
OscarL: hard to tell what is ment exactly, hence me asking for the log.. :)
<OscarL>
indeed.
<Begasus[m]>
checking (build from yesterday
<Begasus[m]>
ow bugger ... no space left ... :P
<OscarL>
speaking of "no space left". Seems one HDD is dying too here on the main PC, lol. More reasons now to try to get the "new" netbook up to speed :-D
<nephele>
if (context == kDiscoveryOwnJID) -> no comment neccesary
<nephele>
nice how enums can make code much clearer. I like semantic programing
<nephele>
OscarL: can't send you a ssd either? :P
* OscarL
hopes the slow e-waste machine I'll be gifted comes with its original 500 GB disk.
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<OscarL>
nephele: thanks for the offer, much appreciated, but for Haiku work, I was lucky to get a 120 GB SSD not long ago, so we're covered on that front.
<Begasus[m]>
bugger, what was the target for anyboot again?
<OscarL>
this old HDD was were I stored some random installers/isos/movies and such.
<Begasus[m]>
nvm, found it :)
<OscarL>
Seems the only way to finally sort my data is when the HDD fails, and there's nothing else to sort out :-P
<Begasus[m]>
HAIKU_IMAGE_SIZE ?= 3072 ; (better)
<nephele>
button colors are still pretty darn bad on nightlies
<nephele>
the text color it picks for them is almost unreadable, and that is also because of the controllook rendering shifting the colors .-.
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<Begasus[m]>
indeed checksum error
<OscarL>
that was fast.
<Begasus[m]>
current build 58879, upstream 58875 ...
<Begasus[m]>
pkgman update haiku haiku_devel
<Begasus[m]>
no need for full-sync to check this :P
<Begasus[m]>
could it be that changing libsxlt failed because I used release target earlier?
<Begasus[m]>
nah, also failed for nightly
<nephele>
Koder makes working on this one file very frustrating
<nephele>
every time i save the mimetype gets set back to text/plain, so next time it opens in stylededit
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: not sure how that whole "build repository" thing works when building Haiku images (for packages not used during build). It tries to download all the packages from an online repo... and fails because it obviously won't find the version you asked for?
<Begasus[m]>
seems so OscarL
<Begasus[m]>
although the file is in the "download" folder
<Begasus[m]>
but it's mentioned in the list for # source packages
<OscarL>
what happens if you revert your libxslt version change?, does it downloads the old(er) package somewhere? if so... might give you a hint on how to trick it into taking the new .hpkg.
<Begasus[m]>
so not sure if it needs that (can't find any source package on my system though)
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<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: for the _source package... try simply commenting that line out, should't be necessary for your tests.
<Begasus[m]>
download/libxslt-1.1.39-2-x86_64.hpkg 100%[================================================================================================================================================>] 499.49K 1.75MB/s in 0.3s
<Begasus[m]>
:/
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<Begasus[m]>
build failed with commented out also
<Begasus[m]>
well, not the build ... you get what I mean :)
<Begasus[m]>
I guess it fails because it can't find the file upstream
<OscarL>
where it placed the file? in downloads same as with gutenprint and the other "build" packages?
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, in the generated*/download directory
<Begasus[m]>
err not in the build_packages directory
<Begasus[m]>
seems to be in use by WebPositive, so maybe that has a hard requirement in the build process?
<Begasus[m]>
build/packaging
<Begasus[m]>
well, haikuwebkit*
<OscarL>
if it's only used by haikuwebkit, you don't need to build a full release image to test the updated libxslt, I would assume. just install it and see if Web+ still works should be enough for runtime, good luck rebulding haikuwebkit if you want to test at build time :-P
* nephele
has no problems building haikuwebkit
<Begasus[m]>
already got it local installed for a week I think :P
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: here... nephele has volunteered! :-D
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<OscarL>
s/here/there/
<nephele>
OscarL: nah man, i'm on the go with my laptop :D
<nephele>
my beefy computer is somewhere else
<OscarL>
excuses, excuses! :-P
<Begasus[m]>
nephele not building haikuwebkit, trying to get the new libxslt into thee anyboot image :)
<nephele>
the bought-to-build-webkit kind of beefy :)
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: why?
<Begasus[m]>
to make sure it doesn't brake anything?
<nephele>
yeah but, why update it?
<nephele>
updating breaks stuff :)
<Begasus[m]>
tsss :P
<Begasus[m]>
hence I stay on beta5 :P
<nephele>
but, the newest nightly is commited by me :)
<Begasus[m]>
for one, xmlto is outdated and libxslt is one of it's requirements :)
<nephele>
DigitalBox98 now has two commits
<nephele>
they should add themselves to the about box
<Begasus[m]>
I don't have any commits in Haiku :)
<Begasus[m]>
doesn't mean I didn't help out :D (moved exr translator out of it) :)
<nephele>
good point. maybe add a special "thanks to the haikuports team" section to about system?
<OscarL>
( my face when I see that cheapest nvme's cost less than cheapest SATA SSDs, while even having twice the capacity: :-/ )
<Begasus[m]>
+1 not sure if there isn't anything already in there?
<nephele>
I don't see any
<Begasus[m]>
shame on you guys! (and girls) :P
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: i think the alphabetic ordering of the about box is very funny
<Begasus[m]>
I don't know if anyone actually goes thru the full list there nephele :)
<nephele>
dunno Begasus[m]. I know people posting screenshots of Haiku open that box, and never scroll it
<nephele>
Means my name keeps turning up in new haiku screenshots
<Begasus[m]>
right
<Begasus[m]>
did that a few times during GCI, put my nick in there
<Begasus[m]>
can't tell the students what to do if one can't do it themselves :)
<nephele>
well, we can make a haikuports section i think. if you want to send such a commit :)
<nephele>
i can't today. don't have my ssh key with me
<nephele>
(and too lazy to add a new one)
<nephele>
though tommorow i could do that
<Begasus[m]>
and I don't have a gerrit account :)
<Begasus[m]>
even told it back then for the exr translator :)
<nephele>
no gerrit, but github? pfft
<nephele>
well, the SSO stuff will become neccesary for the forum and trac aswell eventually
<nephele>
ah, the team is thanked but nobody individually
<Begasus[m]>
nah, no need for that :)
<nephele>
:)
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<Begasus[m]>
they can check haikuports contributors for that :D
<nephele>
gonna eat some breakfast in a bit
<OscarL>
enjoy!
<Begasus[m]>
enjoy !
<Begasus[m]>
korli still way ahead of me there :)
<nephele>
I wonder why some radio stations have severall entries in the radio list, but many don't work
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<Begasus[m]>
StreamRadio?
<Begasus[m]>
Seen a few in the list here too that won't play
<Begasus[m]>
biab
<nephele>
yes, Streamradio
<OscarL>
(that moment when you start considering editing a partition superblock as the next logical step in a never ending series of partition-editing shenanigans)
<Begasus[m]>
stop doing that? :P
<OscarL>
"I swear I can stop whenever I want... just one mode dd if=/dev... though!"
<OscarL>
s/mode/more/
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
k, can't merge qtcreator yet, first need to see if llvm20 is fixed for 32bit, otherwise it will be reverted to llvm18 for haikuports
<OscarL>
(at least I'm finally learning a thing or two about GPT. I only had experience with MBR style so far.)
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<OscarL>
after llvm20 finishes on 32 bits too (crosses fingers), maybe the muon PR can be merged, Begasus[m], now that the updated libarchive is ready on both 32/64.
<Begasus[m]>
right OscarL
<Begasus[m]>
will take some time though, not even halfway on llvm I think :)
<Begasus[m]>
don't want to jinx anything atm :)
* OscarL
sings as if it was Chistmas: "Oh, jinx'n bells, jinx'n bells, jinxing all the way!"
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: about the lazarus install process.. the "recipe" from Arch has this to say: "# skip the 'make install' mess completely and do everything manually" :-D
<Begasus[m]>
issue there is making sure the symlinks etc keep working after packaging
<OscarL>
right. can't imaging how long it might take to "/bin/package" that one :-/
<Begasus[m]>
not that bad on this install :)
<Begasus[m]>
gave up on the 32bit laptop though :)
<OscarL>
too bad that the compression uses only one core.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, but that's the same with haikuporter finalizing
<OscarL>
if I was less dumb, I migth be able to figure out how to use the extended API on zstd, and enable multi-threaded compression on kits/support/ZstdCompressionAlgorithm.cpp
<Begasus[m]>
no zstd compression for dummies? ;)
<OscarL>
not for *my* level of dummy at least :-D
<Begasus[m]>
heh
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<janking>
Good morning to you all :)
<Begasus[m]>
g'morning janking
* OscarL
waves
<janking>
:)
* OscarL
wishes USB-A to USB-A "direct connect" style cables existed, and wonders if two USB-to-Ethernet adapters connected back-to-back might work well enough as such.
<nephele>
No they don't, this violates the usb spec and doesn't work electronically... you can't have two devices in usb host mode simultaniously, which usb-a implies
<nephele>
This does exist however... it's just called usb-c :)
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: why would symlinks break after packaging?
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<OscarL>
nephele: yes. I know about the electrical incompatibility of *passive* cables, thus why I wondered if I could cobble together one using two active adapters (connected via cat-6). Also... no usb-c here (nor ethernet port on one of the machines)
<Begasus[m]>
nephele: you have to get them right the first time :)
<nephele>
OscarL: in theory yes, but only with a ethernet "crossover" cable
<nephele>
or an ethernet adapter that can do this switch itself
<Begasus[m]>
they should be OK in that script, but the way Fedora does it the installer takes care of it
<Begasus[m]>
installed size for both is about the same, so went for Fedora's way :)
<Begasus[m]>
k, prepping for dogschool, cya later!
<OscarL>
later!
<nephele>
OscarL: if one device has a ethernet port then you'd only need one adapter, no?
<nephele>
fwif i connect two "host" device together often, just with usb-c or with a usb-a to usb-c cable. e.g smartphones (that can work just aswell in host mode)
<OscarL>
yes.... but I would need to crawl under the desk :-P
<OscarL>
I have an old phone I could use to do the wifi thingie... (or I could just dust off my router out of storage). I was just longing for the simplicity of just plugin in a simple cable on a whim.
<nephele>
yes, unfortunately that really is usb-c... or alternatively the thing you mentioned over cat-6 cabling
<nephele>
though, you don't have the computer connected to the network already?
<nephele>
if this is about data transfer you could also remove one harddrive and temporarily put it in the other pc to copy data
<OscarL>
desktop to internet via usb-tethering. WiFi on the netbook only ocassionaly works on Haiku.
<OscarL>
yes, plenty of options. just lazyness on my part.
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<Begasus[m]>
re
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<Anarchos>
hello mmu_man
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] i solved my update trouble.
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] but 'about haiku' displays the 'walter' logo :)
<Begasus[m]>
hi Anarchos
<Begasus[m]>
after an update the walter logo should be replaced with the official afaik?
<Begasus[m]>
ah, upstream hrev has updated since this morning
<Begasus[m]>
Walter logo replaced with "Haiku development" logo :)
<Begasus[m]>
let's see if there is an update on riscv64 :P
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] no idea cause i totally messed up with building my own haiku hpkg with walter logo. Yesterday i updated to latest hrev to get rid of my own haiku hpkg.
<Begasus[m]>
only check those from time to time in qemu Anarchos
<OscarL>
On a netbook that uses rEFInd: selected to boot Haiku (expecting to load the install from internal SSD as it normally would). Turns out it booted the install from an external USB-HDD :-/
<Begasus[m]>
not very practical :P
<OscarL>
no idea why the Haiku bootloader choose to use the install from USB.
* OscarL
will try to boot the 32 bits install he has on that HDD, just for giggles.
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<OscarL>
sure enough, entered the boot menu (right from rEFInd), and the selected boot volume is the partition on the USB disk... and it is the *only* partition it allows me to select :-/
<OscarL>
why it doesn't shows the install from SSD?
<OscarL>
debug log shows it *does* detects the SSD and the partitions in it.
<Begasus[m]>
case like the one I had after zlib debacle? :)
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<OscarL>
after it listed correct names/sizes, etc for the SSD partitions, there's a message: "intel: Found GPT signature, ignoring."
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<Begasus[m]>
bad boy, slap it! :)
<OscarL>
that sounds weird, and a couple lines down: "creating partition failed: could not find partition"
<Begasus[m]>
right!
<Begasus[m]>
could not find partition .... sounds familiar
<Begasus[m]>
you got 2 BFS partitions?
<OscarL>
Mmm, maybe those last messages are about the HDD and not the SSD, as the HDD is MBR only (but I added an "EFI" partition there anyway :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
:)
<Begasus[m]>
small brake ... biab
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: I have 2 on the HDD. On a different machine... no issues with that, I can boot either.
<OscarL>
(both on BIOS and in EFI mode)
<OscarL>
last lines in debug output are about the old state directories it found on the HDD partition. no idea why it is ignoring the ones it found on SSD.
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* OscarL
is dumb. Forgot he nuked the Haiku install from SSD to shuffle around partitions. only the Haiku efi loader remains.
<Habbie>
ouch
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<OscarL>
nothing lost, *that* partition I purpossedly removed. but with so many reboots, while using nephele_jabberfr's Haiku-theme for rEFInd... forgot I didn't had Haiku there anymore :-D
<OscarL>
"blue backround, Haiku logo and icons... this *must* have Haiku in it" --- /me's brain, probably. :-P
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<Habbie>
the main reason i have a desktop background image on my actual install is so that i don't confuse it for the installer
<OscarL>
right. I should at least change the background color to diferentiate my different installs.
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<Begasus[m]>
re again :)
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<Anarchos>
re Begasus[m]
<Begasus[m]>
wb Anarchos :)
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<thowe>
I got Haiku to install on my retired work machine last week. The website instructions are good. Created the 64M DOS partition, etc... Major nostalgia! I used to run BeOS as a daily driver circa 2001. I really wish I kept my BeBox.
<Habbie>
nice! the DOS partition is for EFI?
<thowe>
Yes, for EFI.
<thowe>
Can Haiku run in a VM on Debian?
<Habbie>
it should
<thowe>
Is BeShare still a thing people participate in?
<Habbie>
i see the occasional message from it in this channel
<Habbie>
because somebody is running a bridge
<thowe>
Interesting. I wonder if Raku/Rakubrew can be made to work in Haiku. Perl seems to work like a champ.
<Begasus[m]>
welcome back then thowe :)
<Habbie>
thowe, try it!
<Begasus[m]>
"pkgman install beshare" in Terminal should set you up as a "Binky" again :D
<Habbie>
why 'Binky'?
<Habbie>
Before you actually connect. you may want to change your User Name: to something
<Habbie>
that suits you. Otherwise you will be known to the world as 'binky'.
<Habbie>
ah
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<Begasus[m]>
you have to ask the one that invented the term habbie :)
<Habbie>
yeah no this answers it well enough
<Habbie>
probably a rabbit owner ;)
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<thowe>
I am a rabbit owner
<Habbie>
me too
<Begasus[m]>
dogs like chasing the rabbit here :P
<Begasus[m]>
rabbit always looses ...
<Habbie>
the cat also tried that for a while. rabbits won ;)
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<thowe>
My dog would put up with them, but mostly ignored them. Sometimes they would test her patience.
<Begasus[m]>
dogs beat the cats here too, so we're on top :D
<Begasus[m]>
thowe, take that with 9 dogs not familiar with external animals in the yard :)
<Begasus[m]>
they have to be fast!! :)
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<thowe>
My dog once found a killed a nest of baby rabbits... But understood house rabbits were not for biting somehow.
<thowe>
My jerk of a rooster would attack her and she tried to resist killing it also. She just knew what we wanted, I guess. That rooster is a jerk to everyone. Gonna have to eat it.
<Begasus[m]>
right, we had cats before living together with a few dogs, but couldn't stand others
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Begasus[m]>
those can be nasty yeah! :)
<thowe>
I need to look up the right way to butcher it. Never killed and ate anything. I'm not sure I am made for it. I cry when I have to cull the chicks that won't make it.
<thowe>
But when that jerk comes at me, I feel I can do it without feeling that bad.
<Begasus[m]>
did it once with a rooster here, first thing is trying to catch it, nasty buggers :)
<thowe>
Oh catching it ain't that hard. He'll run across 2 acres to get at me. Just need to grab him when he jumps at me and pin him.
<Begasus[m]>
heh
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<scanty>
i'm not sure what i want to do with child windows. either create them, hide them and cache them, or save their settings and create a new window with them.
<scanty>
also, BWindow::Show() is not calling Activate()
<scanty>
this conflicts with behaviour described in the BeBook.
<scanty>
brb smoke
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<scanty>
back.
<scanty>
any thoughts?
<AlienSoldier>
ssmoking is bad for you :P
<scanty>
really?
<scanty>
^_^
<Habbie>
AlienSoldier, you know, my grandfather lived to 90
<AlienSoldier>
that is what they say. perhaps it is like that salt study affecting only a few folk but they expended it to general public.
<Habbie>
that is not the response i needed to get to the punchline
<Habbie>
:)
<scanty>
there was a punchline?
<AlienSoldier>
he started at 89?
<Habbie>
scanty, not yet
* scanty
waits...
<AlienSoldier>
the longer the wait the harder the crowd
<Habbie>
look, the flowchart won't execute itself, you need to make the right state transition
<Habbie>
also this joke is definitely ruined now, so i'll just spoil it
<Habbie>
"oh, and he smoked?" "no, he minded his own business"
<AlienSoldier>
Habbie good one still. I can enjoy butchered joke :)
<Habbie>
:)
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