waddlesplash changed the topic of #haiku to: Open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://git.haiku-os.org/ | Logs: https://oftc.catirclogs.org/haiku/ | Matrix: #haiku:matrix.org | XMPP: #haiku%irc.oftc.net@irc.jabberfr.org
Nasina has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Nasina has joined #haiku
Guest14842 has left #haiku [#haiku]
Guest14842 has joined #haiku
mmu_man has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
Nasina has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Babaj has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Nasina has joined #haiku
Nasina has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
AlienSoldier has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
Aedil has joined #haiku
qbit has joined #haiku
ADS_Sr_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
ADS_Sr has joined #haiku
talos has joined #haiku
ADS_Sr has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
nephele_jabberfr has left #haiku [Disconnected: Hibernating too long]
Slor has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
Slor has joined #haiku
<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
<Begasus[m]> Nice! LLVM20 finished on 32bit :)
vdamewood has joined #haiku
rexbinary has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in]
rexbinary has joined #haiku
<nekobot> • kenmays (cdea3e77): clementine: enabled last.fm (#12433)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d537e1161ad...cdea3e77c02c
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cdea3e77c02c...765994d7c81e
<nekobot> • OscarL (765994d7): muon: update recipe to 0.4.0. (#12404)…
jmairboeck has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
TMM has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.]
TMM has joined #haiku
ChaiTRex has quit [Quit: ChaiTRex]
ChaiTRex has joined #haiku
freddietilley has joined #haiku
tigerbrother has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
tigerbrother has joined #haiku
qwebirc14779 has joined #haiku
qwebirc14779 has quit []
<janking> Good morning to you all :)
<Begasus[m]> g'morning janking
<janking> :)
erysdren has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
erysdren has joined #haiku
<nekobot> [haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/765994d7c81e...48a726f4343a
<nekobot> • threedeyes (48a726f4): tg_owt: bump version
<phschafft> mau.
<Begasus[m]> meep phschafft :)
<Begasus[m]> own design? ;)
<phschafft> ;)
<phschafft> basically the replacement board as my terminal (which I want to replace completly as an endgoal) has a problem with it's keyboard.
<phschafft> so that board will provide PS/2 ports for the brotkasten-1. working on it one board/component at a time.
<Begasus[m]> +1 :)
<phschafft> the display board can be reconfigured to do something else later on. it can also be be 7 GPIOs of which are 4 analog inputs and two special timer inputs.
<phschafft> so if need araises that could also be used for a joystick or something similar.
<phschafft> some of those PS/2 might also be software-redefined to USB later on. I'm just a little worried that this could be limited by flash space.
<Habbie> i keep hitting 'alt+s' to save.. on Debian
<Begasus[m]> lol make that Alt+F4 on windows trying to switch Workspace :)
<nekobot> • threedeyes (cf774c6a): Telegram: bump version
<nekobot> [haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/48a726f4343a...cf774c6a5e50
<Habbie> Begasus[m], hahaha
axeld has joined #haiku
yann641 has joined #haiku
* phschafft remembers a long discussion on ctrl-c vs. alt-c for copy.
<phschafft> (which is independet on ctrl/alt swap)
<nekobot> [haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cf774c6a5e50...0c40675c1008
<nekobot> • threedeyes (0c40675c): Telegram: bump version
nephele has joined #haiku
<nephele> PulkoMandy: do you know if support for jpegXL in webkit was disabled (on purpose)? It does not seem to work anymore on beta5 and nightlies
mmu_man has joined #haiku
<nephele> It seems this was done in a fix build commit
* nephele tests the build with jxl enabled
<Begasus[m]> iirc the jxl translator is bogus for a while*
<nephele> Begasus[m]: it's not used by haikuwebkit
<Begasus[m]> OK, nvm my comment then :)
<nephele> Begasus[m]: can you update the version to 0.11.1? or is that in the haiku internals repo?
<nephele> or libjxl
<nephele> of*
<Begasus[m]> we are already on 0.11.1 nephele ?
<nephele> huh??
<Begasus[m]> atleast it's at haikuports
<nephele> I have libjxl.0.6.1 installed, and don't see any updates
<Begasus[m]> libjxl-0.6.1-4
<Begasus[m]> from repository file in Haiku's source
<nephele> does this need to be updated in the "other" repo?
<nephele> i don't know how that works
<nephele> waddlesplash: can you update libjxl?
<Begasus[m]> x86_64 one
<Begasus[m]> that is how I started out for exr
Guest14842 has left #haiku [#haiku]
Guest14842 has joined #haiku
<Begasus[m]> k, let's try a full build, removed objects* directory
<Begasus[m]> nephele: libjxl is used by WebPositive/haikuwebkit?
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
<nephele> it should be, but it's disabled
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
<Begasus[m]> getting the same as with switching the libxslt package, guess that those 2 are tied to WebPositive and "required" for Haiku's build ...
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
neoncortex has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
diver has joined #haiku
diver has quit []
nipos has left #haiku [Disconnected: Received SIGTERM]
<Begasus[m]> even just adding "libjxl0.11-0.11.1-1" in the repository makes a build failure (that is available at haikuports) :/
<nephele> so webkit_gtk and haikuwebkit depend on libjxl
erysdren has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
<Begasus[m]> webkit-gtk isn't the issue when building the anyboot image :)
<nephele> I think the version can only be incremented when the haiku repo with old versions gets the updated libjxl
freddietilley has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
<Begasus[m]> I've got both the old "and" the new version mentioned in the repository file, so it shouldn't fail on the old version, just don't understand why it fails when I add the new one
<Begasus[m]> even cp'd it to the download folder now
freddietilley has joined #haiku
freddietilley has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
freddietilley has joined #haiku
jessicah has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
freddietilley has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
freddietilley has joined #haiku
yann641 has quit [Quit: Vision[]: j'ai été flouté!]
vdamewood has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]
FreeFull has joined #haiku
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
janking has joined #haiku
<nephele> Begasus[m]: do you know why yt_dlp is broken?
<nephele> i have like two devices where it can't launch and sais it failed to import some ssl module
<Begasus[m]> no idea nephele , hardly use it here
<nephele> :(
<nephele> makes qmplay2 unusable too
<nephele> (for youtube videos)
<Begasus[m]> only a few days back uninstalled qmm
<Begasus[m]> err ... qmplay2? sec
<Begasus[m]> Qmplay2 seems to be fine here
<Begasus[m]> hmm ... that was music, not really video ...
<Begasus[m]> video also fine with qmplay2
<Begasus[m]> qt5.15 ends support today
illwieckz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
illwieckz has joined #haiku
zard has joined #haiku
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0c40675c1008...d57904fc7336
<nekobot> • Begasus (d57904fc): qt_creator, bump to 16.0.2, wich to LLVM20 (#12424)
<Begasus[m]> lol, just notice the typo in the commit message :P
Wiertelus[m] has joined #haiku
bjorkintosh has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
yeti has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
dovsienko has joined #haiku
freddietilley has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3]
WoC has joined #haiku
WoC has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
WoC has joined #haiku
<janking> Now shall install Haiku on Radxa x4 :)
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d57904fc7336...3788a2ec02db
<nekobot> • Begasus (3788a2ec): TuxPaint & Friends, bump to latest release (#12434)
<nephele> what is usb_ecm as a network device for?
<nephele> I have one laptop, it sais this is an "ethernet device" and connects to it each boot, but i can't figure out what that component is for
<nephele> (there is no cable plugged into it or anything, and i have a seperate ethernet and wifi interface)
zard has quit [Quit: leaving]
yeti has joined #haiku
<Habbie> you have an ethernet port, but that one is -not- the ecm? interesting
<Habbie> that reminds me, my previous laptop would report two ethernet interfaces when the dock was connected (unsure what it did without)
<Habbie> felt like it allocated a spot for a -potential- usb ethernet interface or something
janking has joined #haiku
<nephele> I know what ethernet over usb is in principal (i use this for comms to the phone on linux), but like i don't have anything plugged int
<Habbie> ack
janking has quit []
<nephele> okay... i figured it out. why
<nephele> this laptop has *two* ethernet ports
<Habbie> two ports that you can see?
<nephele> Yes
<nephele> and both seem to work
<nephele> (both got adresses via dhcp when plugging in)
<Habbie> and one of them is the ecm?
<nephele> yeah
<nephele> but the connection state is wrong then
<Habbie> what kind of magical laptop has two ethernet ports?
<nephele> my laptop has a handle Habbie
<Habbie> hehe
<Habbie> ok. what is it? :)
<nephele> like you can grip it and carry it
<nephele> in the handle there is a pen
<nephele> for the touch screen
<nephele> which actually works on Haiku for some reason
<Habbie> wow
<Habbie> i have recently, for now, given up on both touch devices on my Haiku, there are too many layers to debug
<Habbie> might get back to it later
<nephele> this laptop looks like the last laptop you'd expect to have a touch screen
<Habbie> hehehe
<nephele> Well, i might add support for a calibration matrix in the input_server
<Habbie> nice
<nephele> The laptop is a panasonic cf-53
<Habbie> toughbook
<nephele> hmmm, but if it is usb_ecm
<nephele> that probably means
<nephele> this is replaceable with another component
<Habbie> like what?
<nephele> I don't know
<nephele> but i'd like an usb.c port
<Habbie> ah, you mean, take the physical ethernet port out, put something else in its place - something that would also sit on the usb bus?
<nephele> yeah
<Habbie> ack
<nephele> it has a seperate screw over it
<nephele> it looks like it could be replaceable
nephele has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
nephele has joined #haiku
<nephele> closed the wrong window
<Habbie> hehe
<Habbie> i read that the second port is optional
<nephele> I hope this chat can be on xmpp in the 'future' :P
<nephele> oh?
<Habbie> but perhaps
<nephele> i want to learn more about that 4g upgrade
<nephele> pleeease
<nephele> why is it now saying can't resolve hostname :
<nephele> :'(
<Habbie> just put 'hel' before p
yeti has quit [Quit: \\//_]
Guest14842 has left #haiku [#haiku]
<nephele> Habbie: what can i put into laptop to make it LTE capable?
<nephele> tell me :D
Guest14842 has joined #haiku
<Habbie> i'm looking!
yeti has joined #haiku
<Habbie> btw https://help.toughoutlet.com/article/194-panasonic-toughbook-cf-53-integrated-interfaces mentions the 2nd LAN - and other options for that slot
<nephele> I have that NFC card reader, but not sure how it works yet
<Habbie> i see some 'gobi' for 'touchbook' cards on ebay
<Habbie> but they don't say what they're compatible with
<nephele> though the other options for lan port seem uninteresting
<Habbie> yeah, but if it's just exposed usb
<Habbie> note that the benefits of C might be limited there
unimatrix has joined #haiku
<Habbie> nephele, do you know what revision of the toughbook you have? the mk?
unimatrix has quit []
<nephele> having the space of a removed ethernet port with no soldering might be great regardless, could use a usb-c trigger board for 20V PD delivery to char the laptop with
<Habbie> ohh
<nephele> where can i see that?
<Habbie> i don't know
<nephele> It just sais Modèle CF-53 Personal Computer on the bottom
<Habbie> so it's a french one ;)
<Habbie> (that tells us nothing, i bet)
<nephele> ewww it's microsoft certified
<nephele> It's not french
<nephele> it has a german qwertz keyboard
<Habbie> .. oh :)
<Habbie> what
<Habbie> most european laptop ever then
<nephele> panasonic corporation osaka japan, made in taiwan xD
<Habbie> 'very asian but not chinese'
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3788a2ec02db...34c7f7b33a89
<nekobot> • Begasus (34c7f7b3): texstudio, bump to 4.8.7 (#12436)
<nephele> Every time I read Osaka i hear (in my mind) "Russia, Osaka Japan" (It was "Rush hour" but badly pronounced
<Habbie> hehe
<nephele> from seconds from disaster... where a communal train crashed into a building block in osaka
<nephele> because the driver was speeding
<Habbie> anyway, i see 'gobi' 4g cards on ebay and amazon, but they are for specific revisions
<Habbie> perhaps you should first find out what empty slots are on the board
<Habbie> because beyond that, it's really just a question of drivers
<nephele> on the side there is a slot for like cardbus(?) or something?
<Habbie> the slot intended for the 4G module might be inside
<Habbie> https://help.toughoutlet.com/article/191-panasonic-toughbook-cf-53-expansion-slots mentions a few things, all of which are exactly not cardbus, but probably some kind of family member
<nephele> uhh okay, let me open it and not break it
<Habbie> if you see notches on slots, make sure to get a clear note
<nephele> this far this has really been the best(tm) haiku laptop i've ever had
<Habbie> although nothing indicates that you actually have M.2 so far
<Habbie> i've only tried Haiku on one laptop so far, and i knew i was playing it on hard mode
<Habbie> i have a few other laptops i might try it on at some point, although they also might be so old it's not fun
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/34c7f7b33a89...9168f179eac7
<nekobot> • cmeerw (9168f179): Update xmake to 2.9.9 (#12406)…
jmairboeck has joined #haiku
<Habbie> bbl
<Habbie> (but my client is connected 24/7)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9168f179eac7...c683ba05f4ef
<nekobot> • Peppersawce (c683ba05): ZMusic port (#12295)
HaikuUser has joined #haiku
HaikuUser is now known as janking
<janking> help i can only boot from usb not from my hard drive?
<nephele> wtf, there is already a 4G modem installed
<nephele> janking: what's the problem? like what does not work?
<janking> boot mbr on my Radxa x4
<Begasus[m]> hi jmairboeck
<nephele> janking: yes but, *what* is broken about it?
<nephele> where does it get stuck? does the bootloader not see the OS? etc
<janking> yes the bootloader dose not see Os
<nephele> okay, and you said you are booting with MBR, right?
<nephele> do you have only haiku installed?
<janking> yesw
<janking> yes
<janking> yes only Haiku
<nephele> have you, when installing, completely deleted the old partition table, and then created a new one?
<nephele> or have you re-used the old one?
<janking> no its new hard drive
<nephele> doesn't answer my question really
<nephele> almost all new drives already come with a partition table
<nephele> if you have not done this before try deleting it completely and then making a new one in drivesetup
<nephele> then make your bfs parititon (mark it as active, i.e set the correct checkmark)
<nephele> and then try if that worked
<thowe> is there a way to search Depot for Native Haiku programs?
<janking> ok i do that
<janking> it is M.2 NvMe
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
<nephele> thowe: they are marked with a icon, but there is no filter
janking has joined #haiku
<janking> it dosent work with my Radxa x4 i try another day :(
<nephele> did you do as i suggested janking?
<janking> yes but dont it work
<janking> thanks for you help nephele
wicknix has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
janking has joined #haiku
mmu_man has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
mmu_man has joined #haiku
<Habbie> nephele, lol! (4G already installed)
<Habbie> janking, you did install to the harddisk from the usb installer?
HaikuUser has joined #haiku
HaikuUser has quit []
<nephele> om my, it even works!! (in linux)
<nephele> I have netwoek over simcard
<Habbie> wow
<Habbie> where does it show up? lsusb? lspci?
<janking> yes i did Habbie
<Habbie> janking, ok, so the kernel supports it
<janking> yes
SLema has joined #haiku
<janking> I`ll try install bootman on it see if that helps
<Habbie> when you say "bootloader does not see OS", what -exactly- does that mean? what bootloader? maybe you can take a photo?
<Habbie> ok sure
<janking> it start with bios bios dont find the hardrive when i retatr it
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> nephele, some random pics of 4g boards also have a gps antenna plug
<nephele> yes, this has a gps thingy habbie
<Habbie> neat
<nephele> I don't yet know how it works
<nephele> usually i know where i am though
<nephele> i'm still amazed though
<nephele> that this actually works
<Habbie> hehe
<nephele> now to get this to work with haiku!!.... of which i have no clue how to do so
<nephele> atleast this card has a published list of AT commands, that might help? maybe?
<Habbie> step 1, in linux, write down what you know (lsusb, lspci, driver names)
<Habbie> step 2, in haiku Devices, find the thing (or things! could be multi!)
<nephele> it's connected via usb
<nephele> and haiku already sees it
<Habbie> oh ok cool
<Habbie> what does it see?
<nephele> i'm not in haiku currently, but iirc it saw the right model. It's Sierra Wireless EM7305
<Habbie> sure
<Habbie> i wonder if haiku makes a /dev/serial for it
<nephele> some things recomend updating firmware
<nephele> but don't even know if my firmware is outdated
<Habbie> sure
<Habbie> i wouldn't start there
<nephele> and it works.... so, maybe not touch it
<Habbie> i'd look for serial and then indeed type AT at it
<Habbie> see if it says OK
CRThaze has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.6]
<Habbie> or whatever the response to AT is
<nephele> in linux?
<Habbie> uh. sure. start there. then try the same in haiku
<nephele> How do i do that in linux? I only know SerialConnect in Haiku
<Habbie> i like 'tio'
<Habbie> other popular choices are picocom, minicom, screen
<Habbie> there's also cu but i always get lost
<Habbie> 'sudo tio -l' to list devices
<Habbie> sudo tio -b 115200 /dev/...
<nephele> tio -l lists nothing on linux, it sais missing tty device of sub-configuration name
<Habbie> that's not a familiar error
<Habbie> find /dev/serial
<Habbie> ?
<Habbie> oh crap
<Begasus[m]> Habbie "cu ... lost" in one sentense :)
<Habbie> it's tio -L
<Habbie> uh no. it's -l. sorry.
<Habbie> Begasus[m], hmm? :")
<nephele> is that a big i?
<Habbie> l for list
<nephele> no /dev/serial on linux
<Habbie> hmm
<nephele> this would be some usb serial in any case
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58880] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b3ffc5acf6af+%5E742a3c335974
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b3ffc5acf6af - nfs4: Fix minor private cache issues
<Habbie> yeah
<Habbie> anything about 'tty' in dmesg?
<nephele> two things yeah
<nephele> ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 and ttyS1 at I/O 0xf0e0
erysdren has joined #haiku
<nephele> looking in /dev there is TTYS0-4
<nephele> err 3
<Habbie> S0 and S1 are probably not your modem
<Habbie> don't know about the rest
<Habbie> i also see 0-3 here, not sure why
Skipp_OSX has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
<Habbie> really used to things showing up usefully in /dev/serial
<nephele> in haiku only pc_serial0 and pc_serial1
<nephele> in SerialConnect
<Habbie> yeah, that's the 3f8 and f0e0 i bet
<Habbie> but, you had a connection in linux. maybe you can find out what /dev node that software used
<Habbie> btw, i did put tio in haikuports :)
<Habbie> .. but i don't recall if i made -l useful
<nephele> a software called "mbim-prox" is holding /dev/cdc-wdm0 open
<Habbie> ok that is useful
<Habbie> cdc may contain serial, and more
<Habbie> now i wonder what haiku kernel log says about it
<Habbie> random page online suggests you should be seeing /dev/ttyUSB* in linux
lubo76kubuntu has joined #haiku
<Habbie> but then i'd also expect haiku to see things - maybe
<Habbie> nephele, here's a super fun fact!
<nephele> random pages are wrong, of course, no TTYUSB
<Habbie> Both MBIM and QMI are actually just using existing Ethernet over USB standards with an added signalling channel.
<Begasus[m]> closing down peeps
<Begasus[m]> cu!
<nephele> that sounds not too bad actually Habbie
<nephele> I can reboot to haiku and cough up a syslog if you wanna take a look
<nephele> but i assume it just ignored a device report as not usefull from the card
<Habbie> my bet too
chiku has joined #haiku
<Habbie> i've got haiku to recognise 3 devices by patching this month
<Habbie> some of them even work
<Habbie> just adding numbers to tables ;)
<Habbie> and yes, happy to look
<Habbie> this article (quoted from before) mentions that the 'USB composition' is changeable https://gist.github.com/Juul/e42c5b6ec71ce11923526b36d3f1cb2c
Sid127 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
mmu_man has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
mmu_man has joined #haiku
lubo76kubuntu has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<JesusGod-Pope666> Is Haiku based on Linux?
<moparisthebest> No
<JesusGod-Pope666> So no Linux code is used?
<JesusGod-Pope666> Or kernel?
<moparisthebest> Nope
<Habbie> correct
<nephele> We use some code from glibc for our C library, but that isn't strictly linux
<yann64[m]> JesusGod-Pope666: different kernel, no binary compatibility, entirely different filesystem structure
<yann64[m]> it is a completely different OS
BrunoSpr has joined #haiku
<JesusGod-Pope666> A better filesystem structure then the mad madness of Linux?
<JesusGod-Pope666> Like Linux is so confusing with all the many folders and here and there with things.
<JesusGod-Pope666> Anyone have a picture of the structure?
<yann64[m]> JesusGod-Pope666: Some Linux distributions have different/non-standard filesystem layout though, so defining Linux is a bit difficult
<JesusGod-Pope666> Okay thanks. Hmm I guess I should try it again and try to use it for some time.
WoC` has joined #haiku
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea but for the most part I still don't feel home in Linux having used it for a long time.
<JesusGod-Pope666> Many things I just have no clue and the terminal is used so many times.
<JesusGod-Pope666> My dream system was windows 2000.
<JesusGod-Pope666> My days of paradise.
<nephele> RedoxOS is close to windows 2000
<JesusGod-Pope666> If I remember any system as the wonder system, it was w2k
<nephele> Err no, i ment reactos
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea reactos did not work on my slim client sadly
<nephele> I think they have worse hardware support than Haiku, but if you really want the NT architecture and feel it could be for you eventually
<JesusGod-Pope666> I did get W2K working but driver issues sadly makes it a non option.
<nephele> anyway, in Haiku we also try to avoid having to use the terminal
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea, I loved your STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
<nephele> stuff is also available in the terminal, but mainly from the GUI.
<JesusGod-Pope666> I hate the nonsense nagging from systems.
<nephele> huh, what does that reffer to? :)
erysdren has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
<JesusGod-Pope666> Well you had that stop nagging me option in Haiku I recall.....
<JesusGod-Pope666> Like when it pop ups.
<JesusGod-Pope666> I only tried Haiku for a short time years ago.
<JesusGod-Pope666> It looked interesting.
<JesusGod-Pope666> Not sure how reactos.... Like it seems like they are years behind still....
<JesusGod-Pope666> Like many have waited for it to become good enough to use and yet....
<nephele> sure, but people said the same thing about Haiku
<JesusGod-Pope666> Before they get finish with it, AI can probably make it.
<nephele> espeically at the start hardware can be quite picky
WoC has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea I guess there is a lot oft those overall.
<nephele> reactOS also often shares a stand with Haiku at fosdem ;)
<JesusGod-Pope666> I have a new computer incoming soon
<JesusGod-Pope666> Ahhh where is that?
<Habbie> brussels, early february each year
<JesusGod-Pope666> https://fosdem.org/2025/
<JesusGod-Pope666> Germany
<JesusGod-Pope666> Nice
<Habbie> no, Belgium
<JesusGod-Pope666> Oh
<JesusGod-Pope666> Well not to bad
<nephele> the most international city i know
janking has joined #haiku
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] nephele pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58881] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=60bb9a9f96ba+%5Eb3ffc5acf6af
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 60bb9a9f96ba - BControl docs: Sum up abstract nature of BControl and how to set colors.
<JesusGod-Pope666> Can Haiku do portable on a USB pen?
<nephele> you mean boot from a thumbdrive and be useable? that works fine, sure
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea exactly.
<nephele> just the installation is a bit combersome, the default image you burn does not have that much space available
<nephele> if you want to use the full usb stick you need to then install it to a second one
<JesusGod-Pope666> Yea I get it.
<nephele> but you can use the normal installer image a sa full live image
<nephele> (with data saved and everything... really, it is a normal install, just on a small partition)
<JesusGod-Pope666> I have multiple USB pens so... I have extras
<Habbie> can confirm that the default live image is quite small. also a pity we don't have a simple resize
<Habbie> but i installed from the installer image on a usb stick to a second partition on the same usb stick, works fine :)
<nephele> habbie, that's on purpose. If it would live resize, and we have a slightly better installation, it would be as easy as a computer virus /S
<Habbie> lol
<JesusGod-Pope666> ..... No idea what you are talking about.
<nephele> the "/S" means that it was a joke, for habbie
<JesusGod-Pope666> Aha
<nephele> i'm going to reboot and develop some changes bbib
nephele has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
<JesusGod-Pope666> Is reactOS on IRC?
<Habbie> i don't know if we can answer that question better than a search engine can :)
<JesusGod-Pope666> Maybe you knew
<Habbie> :)
<Habbie> i don't
<JesusGod-Pope666> Anyway nice to see you guys are active, seems friendly enough :)
nephele has joined #haiku
<nephele> stupid computer. should have never bought that crappy gpu
tigerbrother has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
tigerbrother has joined #haiku
<nephele> Habbie: this pc doesn't always boot. No video output. I am so frustrated with this computer
<Habbie> annoying
<nephele> I'm going to take out the disk and put it in this random lenovo thinkstation, it can't be worse than this
<nephele> i'm never buying such an expensive gpu again
jmairboeck has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
dovsienko has quit [Quit: Leaving]
axeld has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
<nephele> hmm, the thinkstation doesn't want to boot anything... anyway sais no OS found :(
<nephele> but no secure boot or anything is on
Aedil has quit [Quit: leaving]
<nephele> Okay... still can't boot anything on it... except for stuff over usb? i updated the bios, that was scary. Now it went from "No os found, press key" to "no os found, retry in 1 sec"
<nephele> hmmm...
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
janking has joined #haiku
<nephele> oh noes. I think i figured out the fault. This is a 32bit efi system
<nephele> uggggh
<nephele> is there some way (In haiku) to install a bios bootloader afterwards to a gpt table?
<nephele> I
<nephele> I've never had such a picky machine bevore, it boots almost nothing. I can't even boot the 64bit image with CSM
cameron_ has joined #haiku
<nephele> 32bit haiku works. But i have the 64bit version on my disk. But i can't even boot the 64bit image to prepare a disk for it... uhhh
nephele has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
mfny has joined #haiku
<mfny> Hi all
nephele has joined #haiku
<nephele> hi mfny
<nephele> (I forgot to extract the zip again, i wasted so many hours on this fault...)
nephele has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
mfny has quit [Quit: Leaving]
janking has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
janking has joined #haiku
mmu_man is now known as Guest16811
mmu_man has joined #haiku
Guest16811 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
bjorkintosh has joined #haiku
HaikuUser has joined #haiku
HaikuUser is now known as Yoke
Yoke has quit [Quit: Vision[]: i've been blurred!]
TMM has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.]
TMM has joined #haiku
nipos has joined #haiku
mmu_man has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]