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<waddlesplash> I don't know, the options for the spam filter are pretty limited
<waddlesplash> there's only an option to trust "Authenticated" users
<waddlesplash> I don't have an option to make any particular group extra trusted
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<janking> Good morning and welcome to the channel :)
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<janking> Good morning to you all :)
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<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
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<janking> Good morning to you all :)
<janking> morning Begasus[m]
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<Begasus[m]> morning janking
<janking> :)
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<janking> consistent?? help Begasus[m]
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<Begasus[m]> consistent?
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<janking> yes what that mean
<janking> s
<janking> ?
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<janking> consistent?? help Begasus[m]?
<janking> KERN: package_daemon: [8721012: 82] Volume::InitialVerify(): volume at "/boot/home/config" is consistent?
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<janking> back
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<Begasus[m]> still no idea what you mean janking :)
<Hanicef[m]> i looked into the haiku source code, and it seems to be a debug log to indicate that the package repository is working as intended
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<Hanicef[m]> if it printed "volume at "/path" has problems", though, then it's something that needs to be looked into
<Hanicef[m]> the print happens in src/servers/package/Volume.cpp, btw
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<janking> back
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<qth[m]> Hi
<qth[m]> I am trying to setup haiku in a VM and I cannot make the network work
<qth[m]> the hypervisor is bhyve on FreeBSD, using virtio as a network driver
<qth[m]> interface is recognized as virtio/0 on haiku
<qth[m]> I set up network as 192.168.20.5, netmask 255.255.255.0 and gw 192.168.20.1 using the Network settings app
<qth[m]> but if I try to ping 192.168.20.1 I see ARP requests leaving the VM with tcpdump
<qth[m]> but they never reach the host on the other side
<Hanicef[m]> are you connect wirelessly to the network?
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<qth[m]> no it's between a VM and its host
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<Begasus[m]> can you use bridged network?
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<Begasus[m]> tl ...
<Hanicef[m]> ah, they left
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<qth[m]> <Begasus[m]> "can you use bridged network?" <- Not sure what you mean.
<qth[m]> Nothing is coming out of the adapter
<qth[m]> It doesn't matter if I add it to a bridge or something else, does it?πŸ€”
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<Begasus[m]> didn't see you used bhyve earlier, no idea there, using bridged network when running Haiku in VMware or VirtualBox myself
<Begasus[m]> well VB not anymore
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<Begasus[m]> bbl
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<Hanicef[m]> <qth[m]> "It doesn't matter if I add it to..." <- depends on what you want to achieve, but a tap interface is the easiest if you just want to talk to the host machine
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<nephele> PulkoMandy: My slack thingy was deleted, I thought. But it turns out it was still around (I "just" used the same email to try and join again by accident) So now I have that bridge again, and can ask questions more directly to upstream ^_^
<nephele> I'll ask about the focus issue, maybe I can get some pointers
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<qth[m]> <Hanicef[m]> "depends on what you want to..." <- that's what I am doing
<qth[m]> I created the interface, I gave it fe80::1 on the host and fe80::2 on the guest
<qth[m]> but when I ping I get "unreachable"
<Hanicef[m]> qth[m]: there's your problem: haiku doesn't support ipv6 yet
<Hanicef[m]> you have to go through ipv4, unfortunately
<nephele> that's not correct
<nephele> ipv6 works if you have a static configuration
<nephele> (for example localhost ipv6 works just fine)
<Hanicef[m]> ah, right, it supports ipv6 but not slaac
<Hanicef[m]> yeah, sorry, mixed it up
<Hanicef[m]> either way, going via ipv4 is easier right now, since it's better supported than ipv6 on haiku (though i would love for that to change, maybe something for me to try to tackle in the future)
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<nephele> true... lack of testing also does not help haikus ipv6 :)
<nephele> would be nice to have slaac and dhcpv6
<nephele> and mDNS...
<nephele> and sctp
<nephele> then haiku would become a somewhat modern networked OS ;)
<qth[m]> I can't even get static ipv6 to work
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<qth[m]> really weird
<qth[m]> I set fe80::2 in the VM, fe80::1 on the host, nothing goes through
<nephele> I think we might need to tell webkit that it is focused.... just one annoyance there, BView does not seem to have any hook method to indicate the focus changed, and it only compares to the fOwner if it's focus is on that view
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<nephele> so how can we get an update when the focus is active again? i.e window is focused && the current view if focused
<nephele> doing it naively with mouse clicks or something would probably break focus follows mouse and such things?
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<qth[m]> Ok
<qth[m]> Well that clears things up
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<qth[m]> or maybe it does not. I have the same behaviour with ip4 addresses
<Habbie> qth[m], note that for fe80:: addresses, you always need to specify the link scope (interface id)
<Habbie> won't help if haiku doesn't support v6, of course
<qth[m]> I set /32 addresses on each side, added routes for these IPs that tell it to use th eright interfaces, added entries in the arp table
<qth[m]> still nothing going through
<qth[m]> each machine can see its own packets with tcpdump
<Habbie> why not set a /30?
<qth[m]> because that does not fit well in my overall architecture
<qth[m]> I will try still
<Habbie> nephele, so what's missing? SLAAC and DHCPv6?
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<qth[m]> Alright. It does not work either. There is definitely something wrong with my hypervisor at this stage
<qth[m]> rebooted the VM, now it works
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<qth[m]> * it works (with IPv4 on a /24, not yet with IPv6, or IPv4 with /32)
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<janking> KERN: [net/realtekwifi/0] [54:af:97:c8:04:65] erp change: was 0x106, now 0x104 help what can i with this
<janking> anyone can tell me:KERN: [net/realtekwifi/0] [54:af:97:c8:04:65] erp change: was 0x106, now 0x104
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<Habbie> janking, what's the question?
<janking> wKERN: [net/realtekwifi/0] [54:af:97:c8:04:65] erp change: was 0x106, now 0x104hat is this:
<Hanicef[m]> i would guess it's probably some debug log, do you have any issues with wifi?
<janking> yes with realtek wifi
<janking> so it is not a virus
<Hanicef[m]> why would it be a virus?
<janking> i have got it from the syslog
<janking> i jut guessing
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<janking> so what do you think Hanicef[m]
<Hanicef[m]> about what?
<janking> this:KERN: [net/realtekwifi/0] [54:af:97:c8:04:65] erp change: was 0x106, now 0x104
<Hanicef[m]> i doubt it's anything to worry about, syslog prints out all kinds of shit for debugging purposes, most of which can be ignored unless you're a dev
<janking> thank you for the answer thats help me a lot :)
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<Habbie> it's a DPRINTF indeed
<janking> DPRINTF ??
<Habbie> a debugging message
<janking> ok
<nephele> Habbie: both i think
<Habbie> nephele, ack
<Habbie> although sometimes SLAAC is enough
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58931] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f2a0f2a3e0f1+%5E8e86be850987
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f2a0f2a3e0f1 - udp: implement shutdown()
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<nephele> Habbie: indeed. but for good compatibility we should implement both :)
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<nephele> How Can i extract individual ressources from rdef or from a ELF to a plain file
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5731e4f4456c...cd65e29427af
<nekobot> β€’ Begasus (cd65e294): fastfetch, bump to 2.46.0 (#12527)
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<nephele> zardshard: already on building webkit? :P
<nephele> if you want i can send you the patches i have now. Sadly i don't yet have an OK from codeberg to host my patches there
<nephele> but i could upload them to disroot now, in theory
<zardshard> Oh yes, that would be nice
<nephele> I have a nice email from disroot that they'd be happy to host my webkit ;)
<nephele> just gotta find my darn password
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<nephele> zardshard: nevermind! disroot doesn't use their SSO for their git, and i registered with a mispelled email adress, now my username is taken lol ffs
<nephele> zardshard: out of curiosity, where did you look for webkit tickets before? :)
<zardshard> Erm... I was going to say GitHub but they don't seem to have any, so I think (actually it was) WebPositive's Trac
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<nephele> it used to be the same a long time ago till i split these up into engine and webpositive tickets
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<nephele> zardshard: i guess, i could put the patches onto trac?
<nephele> if you want to import the patches like that to play around with them?
<zardshard> Sure, whatever works, I guess ;-)
<nephele> the new webpositive has no checkboxes anymore!!
<nephele> it makes it really frustrating to use
<nephele> zardshard: #19643
<nephele> would be great if you can check (at some point) the pointer lifetime for the BMessage for the scroll event and keyboard event. I tried doing it like in your mouse patch, but that failed for reasons, and i couldn't figure it out :)
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<mbrumbelow> nephele: it’s a feature. πŸ™‚
<phschafft> it's a feature!
<nephele> mbrumbelow: :(
<nephele> now it's a feature with a ticket...
<mbrumbelow> Haha!!!
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<Anarchos> hello
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<erysdren> hi Anarchos
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<janking> hello
<Anarchos> erysdren hello
<janking> hello erysdren and Anarchos
<Anarchos> Begasus[m] hey, i just saw korli finally merged my BeTeX rehearsal !!
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<Begasus[m]> cool Anarchos !!!
<Begasus[m]> maybe he will do a new tagged release next :)
<Anarchos> Begasus[m] but i have no motivation to update the haikuports recipe , with dependencies to latex2html and BGhostview
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<Begasus[m]> np Anarchos let's wait a bit, if nothing else one of use can step in to update the haikuports recipe
<Begasus[m]> time to close down here though :)
<Begasus[m]> cu peeps!
<Anarchos> Begasus[m] take care.
<scantysnax> good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night :-)
<Anarchos> scantysnax fastest day i ever saw !
<scantysnax> lucky you :-)
<scantysnax> i have another few hours at work.
<scantysnax> i couldn't get haiku to tether to my phone :-(
<scantysnax> so i'm on MacOS right now :-T
<Anarchos> scantysnax i am on haiku bare metal
<scantysnax> Anarchos, me too, when i'm on my home PC
<Anarchos> ALT+G doesn't work anymore to edit Queries ?
<scantysnax> my other laptop which runs Haiku very nicely, but can't stay tethered to my phone
<scantysnax> it is either not detected, or the connection lasts for about 5 minutes, then cuts out.'
<scantysnax> ok, have to goto meeting
<scantysnax> bbl
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<kallisti5[m]> Wow.. I just upgraded from hrev587xx to hrev589xx.. the browser experience is great
<kallisti5[m]> Ff ports are fast, stable
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<Anarchos> kallisti5[m] i use falkon, is Ff more fast/stable ?
<kallisti5[m]> Nah, I was using Librewolf / Iceweasel. Performance is way up
<Habbie> what happened between 587xx and 589xx?
<nephele> maybe the new memoty allocator?
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: can you give me access to the Haiku group on codeberg?
<kallisti5[m]> sure! What are you looking to do?
<kallisti5[m]> We don't mirror well over there, they don't like all of our tags
<nephele> One copy of haikuwebkit should move there, once codeberg approves it
<nephele> I got webkit2 in a mostly working state now :) https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/webkit2-status/16901/8
<kallisti5[m]> ah, gotcha. Do we need to sync the github haikuwebkit there?
<kallisti5[m]> (that happens from our infra)
<nephele> nah. I will do this manually for now
<nephele> and later on this only needs to be synched to webkit/webkit on github, but we do that manually aswell
<kallisti5[m]> ok
<nephele> i'm nephele-user on codeberg, because for some reason nephele was taken by an organization that published nothing *shrug*
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: ok, should be done.
<nephele> Thanks :)
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<nephele> now codeberg only has to grant the request https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-e.V./requests/issues/866
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<kallisti5[m]> nephele: do me a favor? Can you email me your codeberg username from your email?
<kallisti5[m]> (the chain of trust is kind of broken by oftc lol, just want to double check it as a good practice before announcing that user is yours πŸ˜†) Nothing personal
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<kallisti5[m]> We probably should get contributors to have known pgp keys or something. The bad actor in xz has made me paranoid
<Shaka444> rookie question- how would I map a key (spacebar) to a button?
<kallisti5[m]> ooh.. interesting. I don't know if you can without some modifier key? (alt + space, etc)
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<Shaka444> Like the way you can use <spacebar> to start/stop Play in MediaPlayer
<kallisti5[m]> technically that's MediaPlayer itself capturing the space bar and assigning it a custom action
<Shaka444> I'm talking in C++/BeAPI
<kallisti5[m]> ooooh ok
<kallisti5[m]> I thought as a system-wide thing
<kallisti5[m]> looking for example
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<kallisti5[m]> That's how MediaPlayer does it. It receives keyboard BMessage events via https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/src/apps/mediaplayer/MainWin.cpp#L508
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<Shaka444> Ahh got it, Thanks kal
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<kallisti5[m]> np. Pretty much every keypress can be captured as a BMessage, then we filter it down and act on it
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<nephele> kallisti5[m]: uhm, from which? just from my packageloss one?
<nephele> i don't mind getting pgp keys eventually
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: should i just email the inc adress?
<kallisti5[m]> Me directly is fine.
<nephele> then, can you point me to a git commit that has your mail in the haiku repo? :P
<nephele> ah, found it
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: okay, should be send now... if it works
<nephele> i don't trust my mail server
<nephele> if it doesn't i guess I'll send you a pm on the forum :/
<nephele> (Also, i have a computer here that will become my new mail server, but i've not finished that yet...)
<kallisti5[m]> got it. Thanks :-)
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<nephele> honestly, kind of happy you are going the extra mile here, thanks :)
<kallisti5[m]> I need to do better around access and chain of trust. In the back of my head I have the constant "it wouldn't be that hard to impersonate someone"
<kallisti5[m]> or put fake packages on a mirror, etc etc
<nephele> yeah. indeed. especially on irc (although fwif i'm currently authed with nickserv)
<kallisti5[m]> I kind of figured you were, but from Matrix that gets lost without connecting to irc
<nephele> matrix in this sense is also a bit of a dependency, could take over pretty much all irc channels of ours by puppeting the bridge
<kallisti5[m]> I get the feels we might want to keep the public GPG keys of all of the contributors
<nephele> unless we require something like direct pushes requiring pgp signed commits i don't think it'd be easy to establish
<nephele> but maybe we can just start signing our respective commits to kick this off
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: i actually have keys that identify me, kinda
<nephele> but those are the DKIM keys i used to sign the mail i send you :D
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. I'm guilty of not signing git commits.
<kallisti5[m]> I've set it up before, but always let it lapse
<nephele> heh, n0toose commenting on that issue is kinda cool. like an insider in codeberg :)
<kallisti5[m]> lol, yeah.. I worked with them during the initial mirror of haiku. We have a ticket open about our repo thrashing their infra
<kallisti5[m]> I've been slowing moving all my personal projects over to codeberg. I like how they operate
<kallisti5[m]> *slowly
<nephele> say kallisti5[m], for an initial anchor of trust I'll (for my new mail server) publish the pgp key then in dns
<nephele> i think that would be something atleast
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<nephele> heh, disabling CSM and booting with efi, makes even the openBSD install look much better on my older dell :)
<nephele> though openbsd setup correcting the time (over NTP) *after* complaining that it can't do https because certs are in the future is a bit suboptimal
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<kallisti5[m]> I opened https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19645 showing all of our dirty laundry. Enjoy! πŸ˜†
<nephele> it's PGP not GPG
<kallisti5[m]> GPG is the open source PGP
<nephele> GPG is a software, PGP is the type/protocol
<kallisti5[m]> fiiiiiiiine :-)
<nephele> I figured this out that there are sooo many pgp libraries :D
<nephele> and i don't yet know which one i want to use for XMPP
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<nephele> owow... OpenBSD asigned 5 IPV6 adress to my card, which one am i supposed to use xD
<kallisti5[m]> one's global, ones local
<kallisti5[m]> ones... localhost
<kallisti5[m]> ... one's.,.. multicast?
<kallisti5[m]> ones for fun
<nephele> localhost is on a different interface
<kallisti5[m]> good point. two are for fun
<nephele> local ipv6 adress would be good, but i don't know how the prefix is negotiated for that
<nephele> like, shouldn't the LAN i have have a prefix?
<nephele> I'm gonna use one that doesn't say "temporary"
<nephele> i hope that is stable enough to throw into an AAAA record
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<nephele> zardshard: hehe, created another ticket you can way in on :)
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<nephele> gotta say, listing all the different things as tickets is kind of fun
<nephele> don't have to fix everything, but i'm slicing it down to manageable bits people can work on in their own time if they want to :)
<zardshard> Reminds me -- I need to keep babying the compilation along :)
<nephele> PulkoMandy: Should I make codeberg the new official home for haikuwebkit once the request is granted or do you want to keep both repos for a time?
<nephele> zardshard: pfft :)
<nephele> i can make one of those git patch bundles thebuck mentioned if you want
<nephele> (i did not know those were a thing funnily enough)
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<nephele> oh wow. anubis worked without a hitch in Webkit2... I did not expect that
<nephele> zardshard: we somehow need to get data out of the engine aswell, for hovered state for example, webkit1 has different cursors based on what you are hovering on
<nephele> i don't suppose you have ideas yet for how that works? In any case, i will make a ticket for this. And info would best be added there :)
<zardshard> Nope... Well, maybe poking around the source code I would get an idea. Time to add some info to the tickets... later! :P
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<nephele> the good thing about tickets is that i can open them now, and you can add info whenever you have time or want to do that :)
<nephele> and this gives us a good overview of what still has to be done for the basic usecase to work
<nephele> but, then again, i'm still extremely happy that we are getting this far thanks to your work in big parts :)
<nephele> Funnily enough, webkit2 renders checkboxes correctly... while this now broke in webkit1 ;)
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<zardshard> Lol. Everyone: MiniBrowser is now better than WebPositive! Switch now for nice checkboxes!
* zardshard updates ICU to fix build problem and build starts over from the beginning
<nephele> you should have ccache installed? :P
<nephele> I am still having problems with the focus not working correctly. I would like to get that nailed down. I assume that we "just" need to tell the engine when the view is focused
<nephele> but i don't know how
<nephele> just fPage->setFocus (or something similar?) had no effect
<nephele> maybe i am also looking in the wrong corner
<zardshard> No help there. Busy now :-)
<nephele> don't worry, i'm not going to work more on it today
<nephele> just maybe filing some more tickets if i know some more stuff :)
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<nephele> kallisti5[m]: you have over 2.7K *pages* of you deleting tags in codeberg, ouch
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