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<AlienSoldier> deskcalc is broken after an update to 58831, say error in constant at 1 whatever i calculate.
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<AlienSoldier> oops 58841
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<janking> Good morning to you all :)
<erysdren> good morning janking
<janking> :)
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<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
<erysdren> morning Begasus
<Begasus[m]> hi there erysdren (@_oftc_erysdren:matrix.org)
<janking> morning Begasus[m]
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<OscarL> Hello Begasus[m], erysdren, janking. Good day to you, fellows.
<OscarL> erysdren: got the .tar.gz IRC logs archive, thank you for collecting all of that!!! Cool dataset (and reference) to have (specially if I ever start learning about some basic data analysis).
<OscarL> Might even me give some insight/warning on my hypomania/md cycles :-)
<janking> morning OscarL
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<Begasus[m]> Hi janking OscarL !
<janking> :)
<janking> :)
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<OscarL> I have been having troubles getting the PC to actually POST the last couple weeks, and now PSU is doing all kind of weird noises, even at idle. I better turn it off. Hope to see you soon. Be well in the mean time!
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<Habbie> PulkoMandy, ah. so not a 3 line patch :D
<Habbie> i wonder what's faster on this laptop, SD or USB
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<Begasus[m]> Okular playing video in PDF :)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c7466365e687...ba5d37fc0822
<nekobot> • Begasus (ba5d37fc): umbrello, bump to 25.04.0 (#12301)
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<nekobot> • Begasus (8fc91c62): step, bump to 25.04.0 (#12302)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ba5d37fc0822...8fc91c624d57
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8fc91c624d57...24fc332dce28
<nekobot> • Begasus (24fc332d): libkdegames_kf6, bump to 25.04.0 (#12303)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/24fc332dce28...e80848e41b42
<nekobot> • Begasus (e80848e4): palapeli, bump to 25.04.0 (#12304)
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<pol> an app for haiku to show network activity per application?
<janking> Good ide pol
<janking> but you have netstat
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<Begasus[m]> wireshark?
<Begasus[m]> not familiar with it, but just comes to mind ...
<Begasus[m]> or native, SystemMonitor from HaikuUtils
<Habbie> wireshark needs kernel help to know what packet came from what process
<Habbie> macos has had that for a while; i also saw something like that for linux recently
<Begasus[m]> nope, that doesn't show network ...
<pol> What task manager is the best? That network activity could be part of a task manager.
<Begasus[m]> ActivityMonitor can show you the overall network trafic
<pol> I was using many, but only SystemManager from haikuutils shows processes launched by Terminal.
<pol> I know ActivityMonitor can do that but I was looking for per app solution. In linux there is nettop.
<Begasus[m]> htop_rivoreo ?
<pol> In Windows there is AppNetworkCounter
<Begasus[m]> again, just thinking along :)
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<pol> No, it can not tap into network resources.
<Begasus[m]> inrecipe sniffer only mentions wireshard and pulseview :/
<pol> I just want to see the bandwidth usage/s not do packet inpection.
<pol> I will have to live with what we have I guess.
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<pol> I played palapelli on linux good app
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<Habbie> Begasus[m], and pulseview is not for network at all :)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e80848e41b42...35bf321c2e4d
<nekobot> • humdingerb (35bf321c): Filer: small fix demands a rev bump
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<Begasus[m]> Habbie: PulseView, I mentioned ActivityMonitor :)
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<Habbie> while looking at how the touchpad on the chromebook works in Linux, i discovered, from reading dmesg and evtest, that it has a touchscreen too
<Habbie> i honestly had not noticed
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/35bf321c2e4d...d0b8c0fcd073
<nekobot> • Begasus (d0b8c0fc): kdegraphics_mobipocket_kf6, bump to 25.04.0 (#12305)
<Begasus[m]> Habbie: does it work on Haiku too? :D
<Habbie> the touchpad does not (which is why i was looking at it)
<Habbie> don't know about the touchscreen yet
<Habbie> but i bet i can fix it
<Habbie> it's not at the top of the list though
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<Habbie> Begasus[m], got an answer: no :)
<Begasus[m]> bugger :)
<Habbie> not yet, i meant, of course
<Habbie> but first i want better graphics
* Habbie builds haiku
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<pol> Do you think the performance is better with a graphic card, or one does need graphic card at all?
<Begasus[m]> can't do without one I presume :)
<Begasus[m]> but I think Habbie meant a better resolution?
<pol> Yes, there is still integrated one.
<pol> I forget about it.
<Begasus[m]> ;)
<pol> He wants touchscreen.
<Begasus[m]> don't have a (working) Desktop anymore here
<pol> My laptop have pen support that works in windows and ubuntu but not here.
<pol> But I probably does not need it.
<pol> I have at least 3 desktops but they are all from windows 7 era.
<Begasus[m]> the one I got here was still from Win98 era :) (BeOS/ZEAT... not sure anymore what's on it)
<Begasus[m]> ZEAT/ZETA/
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d0b8c0fcd073...dd98226bb4fd
<nekobot> • Begasus (dd98226b): okular, bump to 25.04.0 (#12306)
<pol> Have not used okular yet here, looking for something better for cbr files, better than yacreader.
<Begasus[m]> not familiar with cbr files, are those like ebooks?
<pol> rar-packed images - comics files
<Begasus[m]> with the updated version I could playback video in the pdf :)
<Begasus[m]> ah, like the comicreader plugin, should work in Okular?
<pol> what determines what apps can be ported from KDE and what can't?
* Begasus[m] lost count on all the different file formats saved as examples to check things like this :)
<Begasus[m]> the person behind it I guess pol
<pol> I heard about that plugin and going to test it.
<Begasus[m]> but quite a lot have been around for a while
<pol> So the original programmer for linux have to do the coding so it will work on haiku?
<Begasus[m]> pushed a fix for Haiku upstream to Okular, that can be dropped on the next update
<Begasus[m]> just grab the archive, extract, open a Terminal to the path and build
<Begasus[m]> for most by now not much (if any) patching is needed
<pol> You are compiling applications and their dependencies to the latest versions?
<Begasus[m]> it can be tricky though when qml etc files are involved
<Begasus[m]> trying to update to latest releases yes
<Begasus[m]> but they go way to fast :)
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<pol> You said something about compilation taking a lot of computer resources and time, is that really so?
<Begasus[m]> 6.14.0-rc1 should come out today, would like to check that with the qt6.9.0 packages :)
<Begasus[m]> depends on the project pol
<Begasus[m]> something like Okular isn't that bad compared to a package like mame or texlive
<pol> because what? a lot of code/dependencies?
<Begasus[m]> for mame it's mainly the code, for texlive mainly the size of the source
<Begasus[m]> dependencies should all be around
<pol> when I say code I mean size here. so the code is more complicated for mame
<Begasus[m]> compiling the code for mame takes a looooong time, maybe not in resources rather then time
<Begasus[m]> some Qt sources can go overboard with the jobs on MOC files, there's an option to reduce those also on buildtime
<pol> And you have a modern processor, is that in hours / days?
<Begasus[m]> For instance, Kate source isn't that big, but resource hungry when it comes to compilingg
<Begasus[m]> on mame I guess I had to let the build run for about 2 days (been a while since last try though)
<Begasus[m]> texlive source alone is over 4GB, so downloading and extracting is about the longest part of packaging it
<Begasus[m]> ps ryzen7 here
<pol> with tex the fonts take some space
<Begasus[m]> which editor?
<pol> But the sources are always bigger or the compiled app?
<Begasus[m]> ah you mean the source :)
<pol> I'm talking about texlive, Im not using it, but looked it up in the depot.
<Begasus[m]> source is bigger as it is a full archive, jmairboeck Anarchos and jessicah did a great job on splitting those up
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<Begasus[m]> iirc the version from 2014 was over 2 GB (all included)
<Begasus[m]> well jmairboeck did the major part on splitting it up and bringing it to today's version :)
<Begasus[m]> yeah! RC is released :)
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<Begasus[m]> old_version="6.13.0~rc1"
<Begasus[m]> new_version="6.14.0~rc1"
<Begasus[m]> guess I'm going to launch a diverged script from diver later for this :)
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<Begasus[m]> let's see how far we get... food in a bit :)
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<Habbie> pol, i just want the supported 1366x768 instead of 1024x768 :
<Habbie> :)
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<pol> Okular is reading cbr & cbz files fine, only Tracker does not recognize file types and I have to drag & drop onto Okular window instead of double clicking a file.
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<Habbie> i am learning that Screens preferences reverts to previous settings if you don't click.. something
<Habbie> (i can't see the something)
<Habbie> ah, Undo/Keep
<Habbie> good news, haiku is talking to my intel GPU. bad news, it's not doing it entirely right https://photos.app.goo.gl/4f178qN84Lpojq1v5
<Begasus[m]> progress? ;)
<Habbie> yes!
<PulkoMandy> Seems close enough that you can drop into the kernel debugger and figure out which registers need to be set using the ie_reg command
<Habbie> ohh
<Habbie> can you type like two more sentences?
<PulkoMandy> Well you need the intel hardware documentation to find the register addresses, and ie_reg can read and write those so you can poke around
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> + {0x5a85, INTEL_MODEL_915, "B43"},
<Habbie> is it possible i just picked the wrong MODEL?
<PulkoMandy> It's "ie_reg address" to read and "ie_reg address value" to write
<Habbie> nice
<Habbie> KDL is so well done
<PulkoMandy> Yes, check the model/generation carefully as a lot of things change for different generations of cards
<Habbie> i figured
<Habbie> this was a lazy attempt
<Habbie> so i'm not unhappy about the result ;)
<PulkoMandy> Registers are moved around, bits in registers change place, etc
<PulkoMandy> And it will often end up withan half-configured mode like that
<Habbie> ok, 5a85 is BROXTON is gen9
<nekobot> • humdingerb (1161ea2c): yt-dlp: update to 2025.04.30
<nekobot> [haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dd98226bb4fd...1161ea2ce5a6
<Habbie> going to try MODEL_SKY (also gen9)
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<Habbie> the screen is no longer weirdly shifted
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<Habbie> setting a resolution changes display size but not apparent pixel size. select a resolution too big and the deskbar(?) moves out the right side of the screen
<Habbie> too small and i just use a part of the screen. could be worse still
<Habbie> should 'exit' or 'continue' in KDL allow me to start using Haiku again? because i get a hang
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<Habbie> ah, and EDID works now
<Habbie> syslog does mention the native resolution
<Habbie> PulkoMandy, any lucky chance you can decode this comment? //TODO: IS BROXTON, B = B, C = C, D = NIL
<Habbie> PulkoMandy, in src/add-ons/accelerants/intel_extreme/Ports.cpp
<Habbie> kallisti5[m], or maybe you :)
<Habbie> i dropped my mouse on the floor and Tracker crashed
<Habbie> system still hangs after 'continue' in KDL
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<PulkoMandy> Habbie: That just means displays B and C are wired but D doesn't exist on that generation, I think? (early chips had only two display pipes, now I think it supports up to 5 or so in the latest ones)
<Habbie> yeah i read something about '3' starting with some gen
<Habbie> incidentally syslog mentions the native resolution for all ports A through E
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<kallisti5[m]> <Habbie> "kallisti5, or maybe you :)" <- Pulkomandy touched it last 😆
<Habbie> yes, but i think you wrote that comment :)
<Habbie> ah, SKYM is mobile
<Habbie> going to blindly try that
<Habbie> TRACE("%s: Laptop. Using VESA edid info\n", __func__);
<Habbie> although this looks bad
<janking> listning on
<janking> stream
<Habbie> oh my god haiku looks CRISP
<janking> radio
<janking> Bandit Classic Radio :)
<Habbie> PulkoMandy, MODEL_SKYM is perfect
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<Habbie> Begasus[m], if you remember, at FOSDEM i said "this CD won't fit into my chromebook but i'll see what I can do"
<Habbie> Begasus[m], this is a different chromebook, but it's going well :)
<PulkoMandy> Nice :]
<Habbie> it allows me to select higher resolutions too
<Habbie> probably because no VBT
<Habbie> and they work! if i go high enough, the close button on a Haiku window loses 20% of its pixels
<Habbie> gerrit login is github only?
<Habbie> and gerrit is how i submit patches only?
<jmairboeck> Habbie: I think you can also register an account with an e-mail adress and a password: https://sso.haiku-os.org/
<Habbie> i am on that url and it autofilled my username but it is unknown. let's see
<Habbie> ah. that's my trac login
<jmairboeck> there is a Register link below
<Habbie> i see it
<Habbie> i have a "CREATE CHANGE" button. I love creating change
<Habbie> thanks. i missed the register button at first
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<Habbie> did somebody just break Gerrit?
<Habbie> https://review.haiku-os.org/ gives me 404
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<janking> no Gerrit works for me Habbie
<Habbie> at that URL?
<janking> yes
<Habbie> i get 404 from at least 4 different IPs
<janking> ok not good
<Habbie> we agree on that :)
<janking> :)
<janking> jm slippy so i say cu to morrow :)
<Habbie> cu
<Habbie> ah gerrit is back for me
* janking is idle: BRB
<Habbie> 'ingress.ams3'
<Habbie> ah, it broke again
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<Habbie> more 404s from review, and port 22 immediately closes
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<Habbie> more 404s
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