<nephele>
Lower input latency makes less errors and more productive use of a computer :)
<OscarL>
(meanwhile.... I'm good after setting key-repeat to 250ms, 30 char/s on the BIOS, so scrolling in text-mode programs scroll fast enough if I just hold down arrow :-P)
<OscarL>
speaking of which... holding down arrow key on Tracker, in a window with many files, even after latest Augustin changes, is slower on nightlies than on beta5.
<nephele>
open a ticket
<nephele>
though, this is the kind of stuff we should have tests for
<Habbie>
OscarL, stupid question - why is poke in C and not C++?
<OscarL>
Habbie: because it was written 20 years ago and I didn't knew better.
<OscarL>
in fact, parts of the DOS/Win version used .cpp
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<Habbie>
ack :) you did ask me not to judge :D
<OscarL>
feel free to use C++
<Habbie>
yeah i should be able to decide on that per file
<OscarL>
ideally, poke needs a "face lift" before submitting it for Haiku inclusion consideration :-)
<OscarL>
among them, switching to C++ wouldn't be bad.
<Habbie>
ack
<OscarL>
my programming skills are very limited, so I generally choose the "path of less resistance" (for my weird brain at least) at any given time. At the time I think I just started by following some snippets.org examples I found of a "shell app"... surely that was in .c ... and so was poke then :-)
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<OscarL>
ah... it was "fileman" sample program from readline (according to the Readme :-P)
<Habbie>
hehe
<Habbie>
i am, truly, not judging
<OscarL>
no worries if you did, I laugh at my silly attempts all the time (and I've seen FAR worse from coworkers, LOL)
<Habbie>
:)
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<Habbie>
i still need to figure out why all the i2c devices i care about are not showing up
<Habbie>
i wonder if they're even getting powered
<OscarL>
I remember "powering off" my PCI TV/FM card... but don't recall trying to run an i2c scan while on that mode.
<Habbie>
the effects vary a lot
<Habbie>
i have a 'lab bench power supply' here with serial
<Habbie>
even when the power switch is off, the serial (via usb) shows up
<x512[m]>
Hardware video decoding is not so much important for desktop PC, because CPU encoding works good enough.
<OscarL>
Habbie: funny :-). Now that I think about it... i2c in my card was done by bit-banging some memory mapped registers in the main pci device block, so I would assume I would just get some errors if I had attempted an i2c scan.
<Habbie>
hehe
<OscarL>
but I can't be 100% sure without trying.
<Habbie>
maybe
<Habbie>
ack
<Habbie>
i fear i will have to learn many more things about intel chipsets :)
<OscarL>
my Atom N450 can decode 720p h264, but trying to play that in MediaPlayer full screen... runs in slow motion. Too bad intel_extreme's driver video_overlay output doesn't works for that chip.
<OscarL>
Habbie: your chromebook is Atom x5 or Celeron N based?
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<Habbie>
OscarL, N3350
<OscarL>
ah, 2 cores, same as my N4020.
<Habbie>
ues
<Habbie>
*yes
<OscarL>
if I had the 2 cores model... I could basically ditch this Phenom II X4 :-D
<OscarL>
s/2/4/
<OscarL>
still pretty cool for their power envelop (specially compared to the Phenom, LOL)
<Habbie>
:)
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<Habbie>
Begasus[m], do you happen to know if updating openscad is hard?
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<Habbie>
Begasus[m], oh lol i just noticed debian ships the same version. it's just in fact the latest release
<Habbie>
openscad renders amazingly well without 3D accel on haiku!
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<Hanicef[m]>
<Habbie> "openscad renders amazingly..." <- honestly, i've always wondered how far you could take 3d graphics without a gpu on modern hardware
<Hanicef[m]>
would be interesting to try that out on a directwindow
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<Habbie>
yeah
<Habbie>
i think it might even be working better than on my previous Thinkpad
<Habbie>
which has a fat Nvidia
<Habbie>
.. and a broken GPU fan
<Habbie>
that thinkpad probably would do better in CPU than with the uncooled GPU too, though ;)
<x512[m]>
BDirectWindow will not help there because 90% of load is rendering, not showing on screen. Also BDirectWindow do mot work with software cursor.
<Hanicef[m]>
yeah, but it eliminates potential overhead if you just want to render graphics
<Hanicef[m]>
also, use the right tool for the right job: directwindow is specifically designed for custom rendering like 3d graphics
<Hanicef[m]>
directwindow not working with the cursor is good to know, though
<Habbie>
is that why the cursor flickers in firefox-based browsers? or is that unrelated?
<x512[m]>
That Firefox cursor flicker is unrelated.
<Habbie>
ok
<x512[m]>
But hardware cursor support will definitely fix all cursor problems (except maybe drag bitmap).
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<Hanicef[m]>
i honestly haven't had many issues with the cursor, and i'm using uefi's buffer because of lack of driver support
<OscarL>
(I remember using "poke" to turn the hardware cursor background to green on my then SiS 730 graphics card on BeOS :-D)
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<Habbie>
ok
<Habbie>
oops
<Habbie>
the Build button in Genio is nice, but it not saving my edits before starting the Build is annoying :)
<Habbie>
ah! it's configurable!
<Amadeus>
Hey all, I was trying to boot the riscv64 image. I was able to switch my Milk-V Pioneer over to EFI booting, and I'm able to see the Haiku boot loader over serial, but not able to go beyond it, saying the boot volume is invalid. https://imgur.com/a/Ay4m09m Any thoughts? I was also trying to boot in qemu unsuccessfully.
<Habbie>
from my recent experiences, getting the loader menu is a good start
<Habbie>
but i don't know how it decides what's a valid boot volume on EFI (let alone on riscv)
<Guest16148>
valid boot volume is usually wrong efi partition identifier
<OscarL>
try disabling sshd and re-enabling it again from Network preferences.
<Habbie>
OscarL, oh that's what i did, it works
<Habbie>
i just want to check whether the docs are wrong or somebody goes "hmm that just works here" and i need to investigate that on my end
<OscarL>
Habbie: I remember that at some point disabling it from Networks->Services didn't actually quit "/bin/ssh -D". Just tested it and now works. Wonders of a beta OS :-P
<OscarL>
*/bin/sshd -D
<OscarL>
after manually killing it from ProcessController... it doesn't restarts.
<OscarL>
those network services are different than the ones handled by the "launch_daemon" (and the latter only recently got some fix to properly stop services too, lol)
<Amadeus>
Hmm, according to Windows, it's identified as an EFI System Partition
<Amadeus>
Although, I don't know about the other disk that has the zbsl and other boot files for the pioneer