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<OscarL>
phschafft: hi. just a heads up. When compiling libigloo on 32 bits, I get: "src/cs.c:124:24: warning: comparison of integer expressions of different signedness: 'long int' and 'unsigned int'"
<nekobot>
• OscarL (1a3caf37): intel_one_mono: new font recipe. (#12230)
<OscarL>
could you check using "cmd:gawk" intead of just cmd:awk ?
* OscarL
will try with cmd:mawk in the meantime
<OscarL>
mmm, build still works ok with cmd:mawk here, LMAO.
<Begasus[m]>
sec, updating repos here
<Begasus[m]>
same with gawk
<OscarL>
it's the only diff I see in activated packages :-/ No clue about why it works here then :-(
<Begasus[m]>
also fails with mawk (which wasn't installed)
* Begasus[m]
uninstall mawk again before ending in some weird awk issues again ...
<OscarL>
will try in a "should be clean enough" nightly 64 bits.
<Begasus[m]>
;)
<OscarL>
tracker works badly on nightlies.... just holding down an arrow key in a list view of a folder feels really sluggish :-/
<OscarL>
mmm, if it turns out that using -G makes it work I'll curse haikuporter.
<Begasus[m]>
I'm not using -G here
<Begasus[m]>
for something this small it shouldn't be needed :P
<OscarL>
shouldn't change build outcome either.
<OscarL>
build worked (requiring cmd:mawk). let's try just "cmd:awk" and NO -G
<Begasus[m]>
well, aclocal/autoreconf/libtoolize added does the trick here (as mentioned yesterday) :)
<OscarL>
(it still should not be needed, as evidenced by it working on 3 different installs here)
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Begasus[m]>
that's like at the dogschool: "my dog does it all at home and here he doesn't do anything!" :P
<OscarL>
works fine without -G and just cmd:awk. work-dirs are on RAMFS... will try on regular BFS (I'm running out of ideas about what the issue might be).
<OscarL>
seems I have installed: "autoconf", "autoconf_archive", and "automake". Might be picking those? /me uninstalls them.
<OscarL>
works after removing automake :-/
<Begasus[m]>
all 3 installed here too
<OscarL>
uninstalling automake took down libtool too. what the hell is going on? :-D
<OscarL>
(as in... why still works here?)
<Begasus[m]>
spooky :P
* OscarL
removes "haikuports/.packages"
<OscarL>
how I still see: "libtool: install: /bin/install -c .libs/libigloo.so.0.0.0 [...]" if I don't have it installed, and it is not in the list of active packages?
* OscarL
reaches for the emergency Holy Water bottle.
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<OscarL>
there's a "libtool" in libigloo's sources. Well, got a bit less spooky at least :-)
<Begasus[m]>
outdated "libtool" maybe?
<OscarL>
to be clear, I don't mind adding whatever deps are needed, but the fact that doesn't complains here is bonkers :-)
<OscarL>
welp... moved the workdir into BFS... and it fails. What. the. royal. F***.
<OscarL>
back to RAMFS (only change was commenting/uncommenting a line in haikuports.conf)... build works. Sigh.
<Begasus[m]>
well, at least one thing RAMFS does right then? :P
<OscarL>
I'm tempted to open an issue over Haikuports about this (before trying to fix the build for libigloo).
<Begasus[m]>
perhaps something is pulled in under the hood when using BFS that doesn't when using RAMFS?
<OscarL>
easy enough to compare.... let's see.
<Begasus[m]>
first "fix" libigloo so phschafft can do it's icecast release :)
<OscarL>
logs look exactly the same, until it does "make all-am" when on RAMFS, but calls " cd . && /bin/sh /sources/libigloo-0.9.2/build-aux/missing automake-1.16 --foreign" when on BFS.
<OscarL>
why does it thinks it needs to call automake, I wonder. Some file timestamp difference between BFS and RAMFS?
<Begasus[m]>
no idea, but probably worth mentioning at haikuporter?
<OscarL>
yep.
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<Begasus[m]>
OscarL: maybe you should open a ticket for this at the bugtracker?
<Begasus[m]>
too* :)
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<jmairboeck>
Hi Begasus[m]
<jmairboeck>
Regarding the libVersionCompat of KDE packages: I think "25.04.0 compat >= 6" should work fine. There were a few other cases where the compat version is less than the version itself, and 6 is less than 25.
<nekobot>
• Begasus (86923575): libkdcraw_kf6, bump to 25.04.0 (#12246)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: re: opening an issue for that libtoolize thing. I might if I manage to get more info than just "works for me but not for others". Not today, though. Gotta go. See you around, have a great day!
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<B2IA>
(UnrealNeil) see ya
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* Habbie
notes 58826 or newer should be tested
* Habbie
notes the AMD box currently runs '60000' which i bet i built
<Habbie>
anyway, seeing if that one will crash first, just to be sure
<gordonjcp>
oh?
<Habbie>
this is about the amd jaguar triple fault thing
<Habbie>
for which waddlesplash pushes an interesting commit every two months
<Habbie>
and then i test it
<gordonjcp>
are we onto nightly 60000?
<Habbie>
no
<Habbie>
i put that number in when i applied some patches myself
<Habbie>
to be clearly recognisable as 'fake'
<gordonjcp>
ah
<Habbie>
i could probably have done a suffix, i think waddlesplash pointed that out eventually
<dovsienko>
90% haiku-r1~beta5_hrev58831-1-x86_64.hpkg 33.76 MiB/37.50 MiB 1.92 MiB/s *** Failed to download package haiku: Operation not allowed
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<Begasus[m]>
bugger ...
<dovsienko>
I wonder if this is my low-quality router acting up or there's something wrong with one of the TCP connection ends. reproduces 100%, although at different progress points
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<andreaallegri>
haiku is a poem! and don't disappear! so we never disappear!
<erysdren>
thank you andrea
<andreaallegri>
welcome
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<OscarL>
bah, was about to extend my salutations to andreaallegri.
<erysdren>
they posted some cryptic stuff as usual right before you joined
<Begasus[m]>
he* :)
<OscarL>
erysdren: yeah, we knew him before as "Mattia Tristo" (nice twist on his real name)
<erysdren>
interesting
<OscarL>
dovsienko: I had similar issues in the past, about 2 or 3 times in the last 2.5-3 years.
<bbjimmy>
On hrev 58831 most yab apps are broken. They either flash a window on screen and close, or open a window that does not fill with all the elements and can only be closed.
<Begasus[m]>
:/
<dovsienko>
let's blame the router for now then
<OscarL>
erysdren: my take... Andrea is a good, well intentioned fellow, that suffers MS, and from severe loneliness, and that hinders his attempts at social interactions.
<OscarL>
erysdren: not being totally "there" myself... I can relate :-)
<bbjimmy>
although the freeze on returning from the screensaver seems to be fixed.
<erysdren>
MS?
<OscarL>
multiple sclerosis
<erysdren>
ahh
<bbjimmy>
one step forward, three steps back. :(
<bbjimmy>
rebooting to the last working hrev.
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<Begasus[m]>
he's a good guy, although I sometimes have a hard time following his lines :)
<Begasus[m]>
but then again, I sometimes have a hard time tracking OscarL 's lines :D
<OscarL>
his religious "mixins" can be a bit off-putting too. same as his tendency to join/leave too fast for meaningful interactions (I think he leaves as soon as he thinks he's being critizised, sadly). But he does loves Haiku :-=
<OscarL>
*:-)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: what's so hard to understand about the ramblings of a (mildly?) hypomaniac Argentine with a broken English? :-P
<Begasus[m]>
was a good thing he wasn't arround this morning with your cursing going on OscarL :P
<OscarL>
was thinking that, yes :-)
<Begasus[m]>
heh
* OscarL
had a few smiles reading old logs from 2023, related to andrea (aa72 at the time), that involved erysdren and some other "usual suspects" :-)
<OscarL>
man, how time flies.
<erysdren>
indeed....
* OscarL
now really wants to get a backup copy of the irc logs.
<OscarL>
might warrant an e-mail or two to; whitequark@whitequark.org
<OscarL>
s/;/:/
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<Begasus[m]>
Or grab the Vision logs from back then :P
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<OscarL>
irc logs can have bad info/noice ratio (specially when I'm online :-P), but also there's so much good info in them. We (Haiku) should really try to have a backup copy, I think.
<erysdren>
agreed
<Begasus[m]>
right, save me a few times already :)
<Begasus[m]>
s/save/saved
<OscarL>
how much can it cost (once compressed)... 10 dollars? :-P
<erysdren>
2021-05-20 log loads fine for me
<erysdren>
ah
<erysdren>
yeah it doesnt work to grab the archive though, you're right
<OscarL>
paging Dr. kallisti5[m]. Any possibilitly to ensure our irc logs don't get lost to time/internet-rot?
<Begasus[m]>
erysdren: that was the first log, before that date is nothing from Haiku :)
<erysdren>
did haiku have a channel on freenode?
<erysdren>
maybe there's further back archives there?
<Begasus[m]>
ah right, we switched with that big change (as a lot of others did)
<erysdren>
yes
<OscarL>
I'd love to have a local copy. I regularly search irc logs for stuff/tips/info.
<OscarL>
indeed, specially if it points out how wrong I was about something :-)
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<erysdren>
PulkoMandy, do you have a copy of those echelog IRC logs still?
<PulkoMandy>
Why would I?
<erysdren>
i dunno, i thought you'd keep it
<erysdren>
you said in the thread that you were "discussing what haiku wanted to do with it"
<kallisti5[m]>
<dovsienko> "90% haiku-r1~beta5_hrev58831-1-x..." <- Oof. These hurt me since they're most likely my fault. I'm working on a better solution with the Inc and will hopefully have these issues resolved next week
<Peppersawce>
I want to try and make a package for Diablo shareware, but the only legit source downloads the data file directly
<erysdren>
oh, it was waddlesplash that said that. sorry PulkoMandy.
<Peppersawce>
I mean, there's another source which is an exe file, but that's unusable :)
<OscarL>
kallisti5[m]: thanks (again) for your work, man. Really appreciated.
<kallisti5[m]>
<OscarL> "paging Dr. kallisti5[m]. Any..." <- At this point, technically it's matrix 😅
<Begasus[m]>
yeah kallisti5 +1 from here too :)
<Peppersawce>
Does a recipe "have" to work with a packed source?
<kallisti5[m]>
OscarL: Thanks! I still feel like I'm never doing enough 😅
<Peppersawce>
(it's still an archive)
<OscarL>
(would love for more people to be able to "fill in" kallisti5[m]'s shoes, though.)
<Peppersawce>
But it should only be downloaded and put in an hpkg
<kallisti5[m]>
For the random issues getting packages, it's our cdn provider. They kinda suck.
<kallisti5[m]>
I'm working on getting a big dumb dedicated server for our artifact distribution.
<Begasus[m]>
eeps Peppersawce
<kallisti5[m]>
Then, we'll rely more on mirrors
<Begasus[m]>
why package a video?
<Peppersawce>
In other words I'm asking if I can skip the "Unpacking source of spawn.mpq"
<Peppersawce>
It's not a video :D
<Peppersawce>
mpq is Blizzard's archive format
<Begasus[m]>
*.mpg sounds like :)
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<Begasus[m]>
ah mpq* :)
<Peppersawce>
It's Diablo shareware's data
<OscarL>
kallisti5[m]: people like you (and so many others), have shown me what it really means to "support" any given project. I admire your Haiku-related work. Have benefited from it. Will always be thankfull.
<Begasus[m]>
why not point the user to the download?
<Peppersawce>
If I put it inside a folder in data I can tweak the script for DevilutionX to check for that file and run the shareware directly
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<Begasus[m]>
tweak the script to search in non-packaged/data?
<Peppersawce>
The issue I'm having is that SOURCE_URI wants an archive
<Begasus[m]>
if licensing isn't an issue, I guess it would be OK, so I wont stand in it's way :)
<Begasus[m]>
Peppersawce: , quite some of those _bin/font recipes use that
<Peppersawce>
Oh, cool
<Begasus[m]>
at the end of the source_uri
<Begasus[m]>
use the force Peppersawce ! :) (eg inrecipe) :)
<Peppersawce>
lol
<Begasus[m]>
not sure what changed, but this works now :) -DQT_GENERATE_SBOM=ON
<OscarL>
Peppersawce: (just some general thought here) let me just publicly interject this... (just as another "nosy" haikuports user")... happy to have you around! We need more people like you :-). If my "experience" can help... if something is/was broken... it wasn't on purpose. So even asking why things are done a certain way helps the project overalll.
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<Begasus[m]>
we just love poking around for the sake of poking around :)
<Begasus[m]>
I know Charlie wasn't too pleased at one point on all the comments given on some PR's :P
<OscarL>
I'd like to think that we are akin to individual brain cells, doing our best. No matter who's right or wrong. Whatever "consciousness" emerge of our collective inputs... will probably (hopefullly?) be better in the end :-)
<Begasus[m]>
+1
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<dovsienko>
kallisti5[m]: the remote server closes the TCP connection, as far as it seems from the packet capture
<dovsienko>
(unless the router falsifies it)
<Peppersawce>
ty OscarL, much appreciated :D
<Peppersawce>
I got the thing to work :)
<Begasus[m]>
progress! :)
<Begasus[m]>
fwiw, don't have email open, so not checking up on there today (or at least shortly)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] ea903017d904 - Tracker: Only rescan templates if we don't know of any.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] c057fc38b16c - Tracker: Cache add-on-supported mimetypes rather than reloading them each time.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 28780cdca1a8 - Tracker: Remember whether addons have certain hooks or not.
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<puffypuff>
Hello. I have just learned about Haiku today. Installed the rc1 in a VM and… it's cute! :P
<puffypuff>
Would be hard to use it daily on a workstation PC, I guess. What are people using it for? As an alternative OS to Linux/BSD for older devices, or something?
* phschafft
wonders if he remembers puffypuff's nick.
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<puffypuff>
phschafft: Hello o/
* phschafft
waves.
<Habbie>
hi puffypuff
<Habbie>
it's not rc1 yet though
<Habbie>
also, for daily
<Habbie>
last time i checked i could probably really use it daily for non-work
<Habbie>
also work if i move work things to some remote machine :)
<puffypuff>
oh, I'm sorry, you're right, it's r1beta4 - I remembered the "r1" as rc for some reason…
<Habbie>
yeah i get that
<Habbie>
not beta5?
<puffypuff>
right, that *doublefacepalm*
<Habbie>
i think everybody here would be very happy if we had something we'd dare to call rc1
<Habbie>
(to be fair, i don't know exactly what would be required to call it rc1)
<puffypuff>
I missed on the BeOS era and never got any occasion to use it, but when I first booted Haiku it hit me with a slightly similar nostalgia when installed Linux in early '00s for the first time ;-)
<Habbie>
nice :D
<phschafft>
I guess most people are around for the nostalgia.
<phschafft>
feel a bit lonely sometimes that I'm here for other reasons.
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<puffypuff>
Is kernel supporting modern hardware pretty well? I've read that network drivers are ported from FreeBSD. I guess it be silly to assume performance is comparable to other modern OSes
<puffypuff>
s/it be/it would be/
<Habbie>
does anybody know where i can get the Leaf ('may be used in the creation of derivative logos') in more than 30 pixels?
<puffypuff>
Habbie: which one? there are three ;-)
<Habbie>
puffypuff, there are three leafs in the full logo, which derivatives cannot use. but I'm not sure the question is bad. if the conditions don't even say which leaf, which one is it ;)
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<puffypuff>
are you creating some kind of derivative of Haiku OS?
<Habbie>
ha, no. just writing some debugging tools that might not be part of the haiku git repo
<Habbie>
and as the trademark guidelines say, using the leaf is allowed to show your association
<puffypuff>
oh, interesting
<waddlesplash>
puffypuff: performance is actually not that bad vs. other OSes at this point, with the obvious exception of 3D acceleration (which we don't have)
<waddlesplash>
compile performance is somewhere around 50% worse than Linux at most from benchmarks I've done
<waddlesplash>
50-75%
<waddlesplash>
at least with some tuning. So we are actually not doing so bad in that department
<puffypuff>
waddlesplash: heh, the moment I did Alt+Tab to switch back to irssi I've read your reddit post from ~6y back explaining of how much BeOS/Haiku is POSIX compliant ;-) thanks, I was also searching for benchmarks so that's good to hear!
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<Skipp_OSX>
install trackrunner, create a file with a long file name with many characters in it, rename it, scroll back and forth through file name using arrow keys. It doesn't crash anymore, but, it will become unusably slow and you'll have to cancel the rename.
<Skipp_OSX>
uninstall trackrunner, goes back to normal. It's calling MenusBeginning on each keystroke which is causing tracker add-on menus in menu bar to be rebuilt.
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<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: on hrev58815 64 bits, without any Tracker addon installed... just using arrow keys to rapidly go down or up in a window in listview mode has been *very* sluggish here since around the shortcuts refactor merge.
<OscarL>
quite noticeable on slower hardware. cpu spikes all over.
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<Skipp_OSX>
yeah bc it's looking for shortcuts on each keystroke