<Begasus[m]>
Not sure we would get enough people together :)
<Begasus[m]>
aside from that, wouldn't have a clue where to begin :D
<nephele_jabberfr>
find someone where we can meet up, not sure where you live exactly but maybe your village has some communal space that can be rented for such meetings :)
<Begasus[m]>
In the middle of Genk and Maasmechelen :)
<Begasus[m]>
Don't know any Haiku users here in Limburg also, maybe could poke some of the KDE peeps to join :P
<Begasus[m]>
doesn't look too good on 64bit buildmaster, libarchive should have finished already :(
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* OscarL
needs to fix the sed calls for libarchive_x86
<Begasus[m]>
Hola OscarL
<Begasus[m]>
yeah build failed on that
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: Hello!
<OscarL>
last line on 64 bits log: "Cleaning work directory of libarchive-3.7.9 ...", so it did finished. Wonder where it got stuck.
<Begasus[m]>
at "Cleaning ....."? :P
<OscarL>
saw you added .hpkg files for Lazarus on a codeberg.org git repo. Good work getting 4.0 "out the door"!
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, still manual build though, can't get this to work with haikuporter :/
<OscarL>
(might be better to keep large .hpkg on Github rather than on codeberg. I assume Microsoft has more resources/money to spare than codeberg, though :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
I can still pull the hpkg file down
<Begasus[m]>
the "release" has it in anyway
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* OscarL-32
sees a crash dialog for Vision, but Vision still seems working.
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<Begasus[m]>
on/off loop? :)
<Begasus[m]>
qt-creator patch still applies, oof
<OscarL-32>
was just about to say... let's hope overvolting the SouthBridge helps with my instability/freezes issues.... and PC just froze :-(
<Begasus[m]>
note to self, stop thinking? ;)
<OscarL-32>
Now on Haiku 32 bits bare metal, after fiddling a bit with BIOS settings again, let's see if I can fix the libarchive before this dies again.
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<OscarL-32>
this crappy PSU makes weird noises, as CPUs are running at 2.8 GHz without frequency scalling.
<Begasus[m]>
don't make it explode :)
<OscarL-32>
using "$developDir/$relativeLibDir/pkgconfig/libarchive.pc" instead of "$developDir/lib/pkgconfig/libarchive.pc" should be enough, right Begasus[m]?
<OscarL-32>
heh, let's hope it doesn't goes boom (or "pop", as some capacitors are getting way too hot)
<Begasus[m]>
guess so, not that familiar with relative* dirs :)
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<Begasus[m]>
$developLibDir doesn't work?
<OscarL-32>
seems to have worked: "grabbing libarchive_x86-3.7.9-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg ..."
<Begasus[m]>
but probably your's is better :)
<OscarL-32>
mmm, let's try $developLibDir.
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<OscarL-32>
"$developLibDir/pkgconfig/libarchive.pc" is a bit shorter, and seems to work, so... let's use that one.
<OscarL-32>
thanks Begasus[m].
<Begasus[m]>
np, I think jmairboeck has a better explanation for it, in the end I think it points to the same directory
* OscarL-32
reboots to check on 64 bits, just in case.
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<OscarL>
that fixed the build, but forgot to fix the sed expression itself :-D (search path still there in .pc file for 32 bits, heh)
<OscarL>
so it seems I'll end up using both $relativeLibDir and $developLibDir in the end :-D
<OscarL>
mmm, or just $developLibDir everywhere.
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<OscarL>
noup, forgot the "other" develop/lib are for other packages, so I need both.
<Begasus_32>
build fine here too
<Begasus_32>
uh right :P
<OscarL>
k, this worked on 64 bits. back to 32, and hope I manage to push before this overheats.
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<nephele_jabberfr>
push, cool psu, pull
<Begasus[m]>
meltdown? ;)
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<janking>
Good morning to you all :)
<Begasus[m]>
morning janking
<janking>
:)
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<Begasus[m]>
wb OscarL
<OscarL>
thanks, let's see for how long :-D
<Begasus[m]>
I'll hold off on the PR for a bit, maybe jmairboeck has something for it :)
<OscarL>
(more fiddling with voltajes, had to add a small fan to cool down the southbridge... that after I changed the CPU heatsink, is not reciving enough airflow)
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL: if I want to replace the libxslt package mentioned in the Haiku repositories file, how would I go about it?
<OscarL>
for a local build?
<Begasus[m]>
did it back then before beta5 with those openssl/curl packages, but can't remember it anymore :)
<Begasus[m]>
local build yes
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<Begasus[m]>
want to make sure new libxslt doesn't brake anything
<OscarL>
changing version in the repository files, and placing matching .hpkg file under the generated/download folder, IIRC.
<Begasus[m]>
and or even the new zstd packages
<Begasus[m]>
hmm, did that, didn't work (failure)
<OscarL>
let's see how I did it for gutenprint...
<Begasus[m]>
should write this down once I have it working
<OscarL>
"I build the packages gutenprint9 locally. Installed those. Also placed the packages into the "haiku/generated/download" folders before doing calling jam to build the Gutenprint printer addon."
<Begasus[m]>
k, but that's targeted to one item, I want to do a full anyboot image with the new libxslt in it (seeing it's not used for the build itself)
<OscarL>
might need better to also remove the older versions, just in case (from both the download folder and from the unpacked one)
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<Begasus[m]>
hmm ... where do I find that "unpacked" one, could be that's interfering
<OscarL>
under generated, IIRC.
<OscarL>
let me boot the slow vm to confirm
<Begasus[m]>
repository file and download directory are covered here
<OscarL>
"generated.x86_64/build_packages" in my case.
<OscarL>
but don't have libxslt there.
<Begasus[m]>
no libxslt there
<OscarL>
I guess what I did worked for the gutenprint case because it is used during build.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, probably as it did with openssl
<Begasus[m]>
will try later with zstd packages
<Begasus[m]>
grabbing qt_creator-16.0.2-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/qt_creator-16.0.2-1-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus[m]>
OK, I think it needs the source package(s) also for zstd/libxslt?
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<Begasus[m]>
biab
<OscarL>
A friend offered me an old "all-in-one" PC that is just e-waste for him. Pretty slow machine... AMD E1-1200 (2 cores @ 1.4 GHz), 2 GB RAM, IIRC.
<OscarL>
Too slow to use as "build server", but might work as "secondary screen" at least (and might run Haiku a bit better than other e-waste I have around here :-D).
<nephele_jabberfr>
OscarL: are you missing a pc?
* OscarL
does a quick inspection...
<OscarL>
haven't lost any of them yet :-P
<nephele_jabberfr>
That's not what I ment :)
<OscarL>
The ones that "work" are way too slow (old atom netbooks) to do anything meaningful. Main Phenom II X4 machine still "fast enough" for my needs, but its getting way too unstable, if I even get it to POST.
<OscarL>
might try to find a replacement motherboard.
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<nephele_jabberfr>
I can send you one if international shipping is OK where you live
<nephele_jabberfr>
some random i3/i5 dual or quad core machines...
<nephele_jabberfr>
Can add some ram aswell, and a ssd
<Habbie>
OscarL is in Argentina
<OscarL>
I very much appreciate the tought intention, nephele_jabberfr! Sadly... any electronics sent my way is most likely to get "lost" in customs.
<OscarL>
*thought/intention
<OscarL>
(/me can't English)
<Habbie>
your thoughts and intentions are clear :)
<OscarL>
thanks Habbie :-)
<nephele_jabberfr>
Even insured packages?
<OscarL>
No clue about those. In any case, might make the whole thing be more expensive than I would feel comfortable with :-)
<OscarL>
I do live pretty far away (1200+ Km) from the main entry port to the country, and had bad experiences in the past, so I rather not risk it.
<nephele_jabberfr>
Sending a 5kg insured pckage is like 50€ eur
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: which country?
<gordonjcp>
Oh, habbie said
<gordonjcp>
yeah that's a difficult one to work with
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: DHL is only about 25 quid for 10kg from the UK to the Falklands
<OscarL>
nephele_jabberfr: I do very much appreciate the gesture, but I'd feel better if you rather spend that money on some local charity, or something like that :-) (If I could pick up the "e-waste" in person... I gladly would :-D)
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: I'll ship you a couple of computers to Port Stanley, and then you can just invade Las Malvinas again :-D
<OscarL>
gordonjcp: LMAO.
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: Maggie's In A Box, so it'll be easier this time
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<nephele_jabberfr>
OscarL: this was already "e-waste" from some company
<gordonjcp>
nephele_jabberfr: like most of my computers, although this desktop is one I bought second-hand
<gordonjcp>
nephele_jabberfr: all my laptops are literally out of the e-waste bin at work
<nephele_jabberfr>
The only one that wasnt e-waste is my beefy pc, incidentally also the only one that doesn't work
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<gordonjcp>
nephele_jabberfr: heh
<gordonjcp>
nephele_jabberfr: oh hey since we now have NVidia support I should try it natively on this PC, I bet it'll be fast :-)
<nephele>
we don't have nvidia support :)
<nephele>
but my amd gpu also isn't supported
<nephele>
heh. bahn.de sais that my browser isn't tested, and that it *could* have issues. I mean, all fine and dandy... aslong as they don't block me randomly... :)
<gordonjcp>
I thought there was preliminary support for Turing and newer NVidia chips?
<nephele>
Well, traveling with DB, so will get there safely, but maybe with delays :)
<gordonjcp>
nephele: oh dear
<gordonjcp>
nephele: where from?
<Begasus[m]>
enjoy nephele !
<nephele>
gordonjcp: from NDS
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I'm hoping to go over to Munich for a bit from Wien next time I'm over, but DB appear to be worse than ScotRail
<gordonjcp>
NDS?
<nephele>
atleast the board wifi seems to work fine, and plays fine with my haiku laptop, so happy about that
<nephele>
Lower Saxony
<gordonjcp>
aha
<nephele>
I don't quite get all the hate DB gets, they are doing okay considering the bad shape of german railways...
<gordonjcp>
nephele: honestly compared to the UK's public transport they're very much not too bad
<nephele>
gordonjcp: should compare it to other EU countries ;)
<gordonjcp>
nephele: well
<gordonjcp>
nephele: for 20EUR I can get a week long ticket that'll take me anywhere in and around Vienna on any public transport pretty much 24/7
<nephele>
"CC=clang CXX=clang++ cmake .. -GNinja", surely there is a shorthand for this...
<gordonjcp>
although, there's not a hell of a lot to do on a Sunday, everything's shut, it's like Lewis
<gordonjcp>
nephele: over here, for £20 I can get... a train that takes about two hours to do a journey I can do in the car in 20 minutes
<nephele>
gordonjcp: i'm very happy with the D-Ticket. It's great, all the bureacracy of figuring out which company wants money how for public transport just dissapeared for me
<nephele>
i just get in the bus/tram whatever and get where i want to go
<gordonjcp>
nice
<gordonjcp>
yah Wiener Linien is like that, one ticket, you scan it at the railway station, or on the bus or tram, and you go
<gordonjcp>
super simple
<nephele>
here there is no scanning needed. only for sporadicall ticket controls
<gordonjcp>
here you need a different ticket depending on what time of day etc
<nephele>
so no gated entry or anything
<nephele>
was quite different to get to brussels where there were suddenly gated entrances and military police with MP patrolling...
<gordonjcp>
yeah it depends where you are in Vienna, some stations have a ticket barrier but most don't
<gordonjcp>
you do need to beep in when you get the ticket to activate it, like buying it isn't enough
<gordonjcp>
but that means you can buy it in advance and activate it the first time you travel
<nephele>
most tickets for local transport here is valid as soon as you buy it from a machine, if you want one to validate later you need to buy it in a store
<gordonjcp>
it's like the whole Steam thing though
<gordonjcp>
you know, "it doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be less hassle than piracy"
<nephele>
haha
<nephele>
I remember the media saying that who bought settlers 7 is an idiot, because the pirated version doesn't have online only drm
<nekobot>
• kenmays (c928a27e): strawberry: bump to 1.2.11 (#12422)
<Habbie>
nephele, does it ever -not- refresh?
<Begasus[m]>
it does
<nephele>
I don't think so Habbie. Seems like a very annoying case
<nephele>
you can't install local files without network either
<gordonjcp>
nephele: okay here's my Big Question though, why is Lower Saxony further north of Saxony?
<Begasus[m]>
well, maybe not Haiku, but haikuports can lag sometimes
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I guess maybe it's flatter?
<Habbie>
nephele, oh good one. there's no "package install" either right
<nephele>
gordonjcp: i think this refers to how close you are to the see or mountains :)
<nephele>
but i don't know why it was named that
<nephele>
Habbie: wdym?
<Habbie>
in many distros, the tool that fetches packages and the tool that installs them are separate
<nephele>
you can normally install packages like "pkgman install /path/to/file.hpkg"
<Habbie>
haiku has pkgman and package, but 'package' does not install
<Habbie>
nephele, right, but that still checks the network repo?
<nephele>
yes, it does. but it shouldn't
<Habbie>
ack
<nephele>
i don't think seperating these into two layers would help
<Habbie>
then i understood correctly
<nephele>
it's all in the package kit
<Habbie>
ah
<nephele>
pkgman is just a frontend
<gordonjcp>
nephele: ah, see here in Scotland we put the mountains and the sea right next to each other, it saves a lot of time but makes building railways difficult
<nephele>
gordonjcp: for some reason I am reminded of the game team fortress 2... where the soldier sais "Scottland is not a real country, you are an english man with a dress!"
<nephele>
ugh, cloning git worked fine, but installing packages fails badly
<nephele>
gonna try downloading from haikudepot web app, not that i ever used that before
<nephele>
fascinating how many things struggle with the network, except irc, irc has no problems
<Habbie>
irc is a connection that stays open
<Habbie>
it suffers in different cases
<Habbie>
haikudepot desktop app is very bad at dealing with flaky network btw
<nephele>
these are things that should be improved...
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<nephele>
I wonder if we can make repo servers use a different not-bad protocol ;)
<Habbie>
just subscribe to the global haiku MQTT bus
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<nephele>
TCP in-order messaing doesn't really help connections o flaky wifi + flaky mobile connection...
<Habbie>
indeed
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<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: gnupg recipe uses "$secondaryArchSuffix" for all cmd's in PROVIDES, making only the *_x86 suffixed ones available on 32 bits. That broke the build of "pass" on 32 bits, as far as I can see.
<OscarL>
given that gnupg is: "ARCHITECTURES="all !x86_gcc2"..., it should be better to drop the suffix on x86_gcc2, right?
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<Begasus[m]>
yeah, need to see what else is using it
<Begasus[m]>
ok, libxml2 PR build and tests are fine
<Begasus[m]>
seeing this is also used in haikuporters repository file I really need a way to test this :)
<Begasus[m]>
otherwise I'll have my Desktop full of backups :P
<Begasus[m]>
that and 64bit buildmaster back :/
<OscarL>
I guess the pass recipe could alternatively require cmd:gpg$secondaryArchSuffix (at least until gnupg gets "fixed").
<Begasus[m]>
was thinking that too, just looked it up
<Begasus[m]>
Epiphany is so far the best browser for github :)
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<bjork1intosh>
Begasus[m]: you have heard of Multics just not in the conventional way.
<bjork1intosh>
surely you've heard of Unics, or Unix, as the cool kids like to write it?
<bjork1intosh>
the 'Uni' was a mockery of the 'Multi' part of Multics.
<bjork1intosh>
a silly joke of an OS displaced a great OS.
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<myriad>
Hi! I'm building Haiku from source on my system:
<myriad>
- CPU: i7-12700H (20 cores with hyperthreading)
<myriad>
- RAM: 16GB
<myriad>
- Building x86_64 target using jam
<myriad>
What would be the optimal -j value for jam compilation?
<myriad>
I've been considering -j6 to -j8 based on the ~2GB RAM per core rule,
<myriad>
but wanted to get advice from experienced Haiku builders.
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<Habbie>
-j2 has been fine on 4GB here at least, but i haven't tried higher, because i only have 2 cores anyway
<Habbie>
where did you find the 2GB rule?
<Habbie>
because i have a few heavy (non-haiku) projects with a 1GB rule, but i didn't really expect haiku to be that heavy
<myriad>
That was something I found after reading some discussions online. Can't say if it's valid or not
<Habbie>
i would likely try 10-15
<Habbie>
given your beefy system, your build would almost be done by now if you just did that :D
<myriad>
Okay, that sounds reasonable, I was surprised to read that 2GB rule myself.
<myriad>
Thank you
<Habbie>
np :)
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<Habbie>
i was going to ask 'can i make dead keys work in Terminal?' but the problem is smaller: the dead item (say, " ) does not show until i hit the other part (say, e)
<Begasus[m]>
jam -q -j16 @release-anyboot here when building :)
<Habbie>
-c -q -j2 on my lowly chromebook :)
<Habbie>
(@nightly-raw, right now)
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, target can change here too
<Begasus[m]>
but not tonight anymore :)
<Begasus[m]>
closing down, cu peeps!
<gordonjcp>
evening
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<phschafft>
erysdren: ping?
<erysdren>
phschafft: pong
<phschafft>
erysdren: in the final stages of implementing my PS/2 driver board.
<phschafft>
it works better than expected.
<erysdren>
very nice!
<phschafft>
I'm now wondering about the different character sets.
<phschafft>
whoever invented character sets must have hated the world.
<Habbie>
when i think something like that, i always consider what the alternative is
<Habbie>
'no character sets' - and then?
<phschafft>
;)
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<phschafft>
found next bug.
<phschafft>
I'm now in a very strange domain: the terminal talks UTF-8 to me, but I need to talk DEC-MCS back.
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