<OscarL>
"GCC 15.1 has new COBOL frontend, so far supported only on a few 64-bit targets." Mmm, wonder if we'll get Cobol bindings to the Be API at some point. :-P
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<AlaskanEmily>
COBeL
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<Begasus>
OK, what's going on here?
<Begasus>
since yesterday the whole system becommes read-only at some point
<Begasus>
reboot ...
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<OscarL>
does checkfs reports any problems?
<Begasus>
sec
<Begasus>
not atm, but it's ok now
<Begasus>
it's hard to tell what triggers it ...
<Begasus>
running tail on syslog now, let's see if it happens again and something pops up
<Begasus>
nothing popped up :/
<Begasus>
launched LibreWolf earlier, closed it and bam ..
<OscarL>
just to rule out possible hardware issue, you may want to use some tool that can read SMART/health data from the storage device (on Win or Linux, I don't think we have any for Haiku)
<Begasus>
not sure if it's trying to build the haikuplugins, but that was done earlier ... :/
<Begasus>
biab
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<Begasus>
and again ...
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<Begasus>
KERN: bfs: Could not find value in index "size"!
<Begasus>
KERN: bfs: Could not find value in index "last_modified"!
<brickviking[m]>
For the latest trunk, what issues does that turn up?
<brickviking[m]>
(of Haiku)
<Begasus[m]>
brickviking not following you? I'm not involved in Haiku trunk :)
<brickviking[m]>
I was asking generally, not any one specific person.
<Begasus[m]>
np, not following up on nightlies on this install (if I don't build it myself), not sure how long it takes for latest hrev/changes to be build upstream
<brickviking[m]>
"SBOM"? Software Bill Of Materials? Or do I have that abbreviation wrong?
<Begasus[m]>
not sure what it stand for, intended for licenses
<Begasus[m]>
well, looked it up some time ago, forgot it again though :D
<brickviking[m]>
Yup. I thought I'd seen the definition before.
<waddlesplash>
OscarL: your Tracker performance problems on selection change should hopefully be solved by yesterday's changes
<OscarL>
It does feels *much* better, yes. Thank you! not 100% sure if on par with beta5 still (feels like it is still spikes CPU a tad more).
<OscarL>
Will double-check after I get some proper sleep (might be just my perception being skewed by sleep deprivation :-D)
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<OscarL>
waddlesplash: FWIW, cpu usage basically flat on beta5. On hrev58836: on core gets around 20-25% and another about 10-15%, the other 2 ~3-5% (VMware, Win10 with energy profile set to power saving mode).
<OscarL>
but it doesn't turns into "slow-motion" like before, so... big improvement :-)
* OscarL
will try to enter "power saving mode" himself.
<nekobot>
• jmairboeck (4be70361): asymptote: new recipe, version 3.02 (part of texlive) (#12205)
<Begasus[m]>
jmairboeck cleaning up? :)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus[m]: I just finished the speg and cson python packages, now asymptote is also finished :)
<jmairboeck>
thanks to OscarL for the python package review :)
<Begasus[m]>
+1 out of your hair too then :)
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<jmairboeck>
now texlive is really finished, just luametatex doesn't work yet
<jmairboeck>
but I guess that would need a patch for the big texlive (data) package, I'm not sure if I manage to do that.
* Begasus[m]
runs with that lua in the name!!!
<Begasus[m]>
;)
<jmairboeck>
also, I have zero experience with lua
<jmairboeck>
and the problem is likely in the lua scripts in texlive
<Begasus[m]>
many have stepped up, but no one really sticked around to make it foolproof
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<jmairboeck>
luametatex doesn't find any paths, so it doesn't work at all, so we still have no ConTeXt
<Begasus[m]>
from the work on it, it felt OK, but still think there is room for improvement
<Begasus[m]>
on runtime or buildtime?
<jmairboeck>
runtime
<jmairboeck>
it builds, but doesn't work at all
<Begasus[m]>
does it work as a plugin or stand-alone binary?
<jmairboeck>
I guess the problem is that we don't use the SELFAUTO* path logic in texlive, and luametatex doesn't use the kpsearch library but implements this itself apparently, in Lua scripts
<Begasus[m]>
eeps
<jmairboeck>
so we would have to patch them, similar to the kpathsearch patch in texlive_core
<jmairboeck>
that was done by jessicah several years ago
<Begasus[m]>
well, you are half-way there then ;)
<jmairboeck>
but, as I said, I have zero experience with Lua
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
OK, let's see if kdevelop-master also builds without the QtGlobal patch now ...
<jmairboeck>
and that package is > 4 GB, as you know, so it takes ages to build
<Begasus[m]>
right ;)
<jmairboeck>
so patching it will not be easy
<Begasus[m]>
had fun(*) enough this week building the seperate LLVM versions :P
<Begasus[m]>
luckally I knew what needed patching there though
<jmairboeck>
If you want to have a look at it, look at the lua scripts in texlive_context ;)
<Begasus[m]>
those are in texlive sources?
<Begasus[m]>
not that I'll dive into it soonish :)
<jmairboeck>
exactly, that's what I mean
<jmairboeck>
the luametatex package just contains one binary and it calls the scripts provided by ConText
<Begasus[m]>
package installed
<Begasus[m]>
you got a recipe on one of your branches for luametatex?
<Begasus[m]>
still need this fix for QtGlobal and KDevelop(master/nightly)
<Begasus[m]>
we could poke jessicah ? :P
<jmairboeck>
I didn't look at it very much yet, and I'm not really motivated to do it right now
<Begasus[m]>
Just go with the flow, I'm glad you helping out at haikuports lately, really appreciated!
<jmairboeck>
thanks Begasus[m]
<jmairboeck>
I'll keep the draft PR around, if someone wants to poke at it :)
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<Begasus[m]>
been caught in KDE a bit too much lately :) although I did check outdated ports at repology once in a while, to do somethiing else in between :D
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<Begasus[m]>
grabbing kdevelop_master-25.07.70-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/kdevelop_master-25.07.70-1-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus[m]>
let's testdrive this :)
<jessicah>
Oof, that stuff hasn't changed in all this time? Ouch
<jessicah>
Could probably use find path API
<jmairboeck>
jessicah: I did update the patch so that is still builds, but I only did minimal changes
<jessicah>
But yeah, texlive is a stupid huge beast
<jessicah>
If I get super bored, I might take a peek
<Begasus[m]>
runtime library [libswresample.so.4] in /packages/ffmpeg6-6.1.2-5/.self/develop/lib may be hidden by files in:
<Begasus[m]>
/boot/system/lib
<Begasus[m]>
I'm guessing things like these are related to rpath?
<Begasus[m]>
ah jessicah around, now it can go forth :D
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<jessicah>
Why is runtime library pointing at develop/lib? Could be, you can check with readelf
<jessicah>
Don't remember exact flags
<Begasus[m]>
no rpath when checking with readelf
<Begasus[m]>
doesn't brake anything, but it something that passes by quite a lot (not just for ffmpeg)
<jessicah>
Is that a haikuporter lint?
<Begasus[m]>
no, outside of haikuporter
<Begasus[m]>
checking in kdevelop-master
<Begasus[m]>
checking a build for kdenlive in there :)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 1de993d223f0 - Screenshot: Add select area option
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<Habbie>
waddlesplash, i found my hrev58831 rebooted
<waddlesplash>
OK
<waddlesplash>
oh well
<Habbie>
any feelings on doing this a few more times? it's easy
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<scanty>
is anyone around, i just want to make sure my connection is solid.
<Habbie>
scanty, hello!
<scanty>
ah, it works! Thanks Habbie :-)
<scanty>
looks like efnet is down for a while. no worries.
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<gordonjcp>
scanty: and nothing of value was lost
<scanty>
indeed.
<scanty>
but i can't help it because that's where #nesdev is.
<gordonjcp>
ah
<scanty>
where, right now, i can bet nobody in there is actually doing anything.
<scanty>
so, you are right.
<gordonjcp>
it's a rabbit hole I'd fall into if I let myself
<gordonjcp>
6502 was my favourite CPU for a while and I'm still fond of it
<scanty>
that's cool. it's a good cpu for it's time, fast and cheap
<gordonjcp>
yeah
<scanty>
6502 is fun, but i like x86/x64 a little more
<gordonjcp>
I had an Acorn Atom that my dad recovered from the scrap pile at work, they built various medical instrumentation systems on assorted 1980s home computers
<scanty>
but the 6502 was fast, and cheap
<gordonjcp>
probably their most successful product line was based on the Epson HX20 laptop
<gordonjcp>
which is how I got real big into Forth on the 6809
<scanty>
ah
<scanty>
i don't know much about 68xx
<scanty>
or 68K
<gordonjcp>
68000 is a PDP11 that grew more registers :-)
<gordonjcp>
actually MSP430 is a PDP11 microcontroller
<gordonjcp>
for real
<scanty>
really?
<scanty>
I have a MSP dev board somewhere here.
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<gordonjcp>
well
<gordonjcp>
they're not binary compatible
<gordonjcp>
buuuuuut
<gordonjcp>
they look hell of a lot like each other
<scanty>
interesting.
<gordonjcp>
scanty: you know you've got that one friend who doesn't look much like his dad, but sure does look like one of the other kids at school's dad?
<erysdren>
lol
<nekobot>
• lonemadmax (88df7149): Qt5: support for variable fonts (#11621)…
<gordonjcp>
I wish I hadn't donated my 11/73 to a museum, but apparently it gets run most weekends
<scanty>
which musem? i always wanted to goto a computer museum.\
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<gordonjcp>
one in England somewhere, Centree for Computing HIstory
<gordonjcp>
wow, typing gone a bit crazy there
<scanty>
ah
<scanty>
been too london a couple of times, didn't know about the musem
<scanty>
museum
<gordonjcp>
ah, it's about a couple of hours drive north of London, in Cambridge
<gordonjcp>
about a nine-hour drive for me
<scanty>
what city do you live in?
<scanty>
or town, eet.c
<scanty>
etc*
<gordonjcp>
near Dundee, north-east Scotland
<gordonjcp>
where GTA and Lemmings comes from
<gordonjcp>
and the ZX Spectrum
<scanty>
ah, nice
<gordonjcp>
I like it
<scanty>
i've been itching to travel lately.
<gordonjcp>
half an hour's drive from the mountains, 20 minutes drive from the city, 25 minutes drive from about 15 miles of beaches
<scanty>
i want to do a haiku/nes tour
<scanty>
sounds really nice, gordonjcp
<scanty>
i'm about 20-30 minutes outside NYC by car, traffic permitting.
<scanty>
usually i take the train, though, i live very close to a station.
<gordonjcp>
scanty: cool
<gordonjcp>
trains are expensive here
<scanty>
here, too.
<gordonjcp>
and they're not very handy for getting to places like Skye
<gordonjcp>
Vienna has it sorted
<gordonjcp>
I don't think I'd even consider owning a car in Vienna, never mind some ridiculous 4.6 litre V8 4x4
<gordonjcp>
14mpg on gas, 17mpg on petrol, it's just stupid really
<gordonjcp>
it's like driving a burning oil well
<scanty>
haha
<scanty>
the NYC subway is pretty good once you get used to it, (a little difficult for beginnners). the train here (on the island i live on) can basically take you as far east as possible
<scanty>
but it is very expensive.
<gordonjcp>
yeah
<gordonjcp>
when I'm in Vienna it's like 20 euros for a week-long ticket for buses, trains, trams, and underground
<gordonjcp>
the other got stuck in a wet field and has had to be returned to the manufacturer with barely 3000 miles on the clock to get the gearbox reprogrammed
<scanty>
my brother was recently in vienna.
<gordonjcp>
scanty: cool, what did he think?
<scanty>
i don't know, we didn't talk about it yet~
<gordonjcp>
heh
<gordonjcp>
it's an awesome city
<scanty>
i will ask him to tell me about it.
<scanty>
do people speak english there?
<gordonjcp>
in Vienna?
<gordonjcp>
yeah
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<gordonjcp>
although if you learn some very basic German, like "please may I have" and "thank you", kind of level, then you'll get on a lot better than THE - GUY - TALKING - LOUDLY - AND - SLOWLY - IN - ENGLISH
<scanty>
haha, yeah, i try to make sure i can say basic phrases in whatever language the country speaks that i am visiting. also learning basic counting can be very helpful.
<gordonjcp>
scanty: funniest one was in France
<gordonjcp>
6am, tiny wee town called Vic-le-Comte
<gordonjcp>
beautiful, buildings dating back to the medieval period
<scanty>
nice picture btw
<gordonjcp>
trying to buy some stuff at the bakery, guy behind the counter could not even attempt to understand me and clearly didn't care to try
<gordonjcp>
eventually he sneeringly asked "Anglais?"
<gordonjcp>
"Ah, mais non, je'n suis pas Anglais, je suis Ecossais"
<gordonjcp>
"Oh my gott, I am seu sorree, I sought eyeu were ze Englishman, sorree, now, what wass it you wanted?"
<scanty>
yeah, i have no idea what that means ^_^
<gordonjcp>
<can't do his accent in type>
<scanty>
ah
<gordonjcp>
"English?" "Ah, no, not at all, I'm not English, I'm Scottish"
<gordonjcp>
they uh dislike the English
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<gordonjcp>
they like Scottish people though except when they play us at Rugby
<scanty>
br
<scanty>
brb
<gordonjcp>
but like, they're really good at Rugby, so it's no disgrace to lose to France, and you know, whichever team does best, Rugby wins.
<gordonjcp>
later
* scanty
returns
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<scanty>
hi AlienSoldier
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<AlienSoldier>
Hi scanty
<scanty>
what's new and exciting?
<AlienSoldier>
Not much, i start a new job Monday (not really a new job but it is a place i go back each year)
<AlienSoldier>
Some are selected for characteristic, some come from enbryogenesis multiplication in the lab.
<AlienSoldier>
I no longer do enginnering jobs, too much assle.
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<addo2[m]>
does haiku play well with libreboot, or will i need to spend hours on configuration? can't find many posts about it
<x512[m]>
> Libreboot provides GNU boot loader “GRUB” and SeaBIOS payloads on x86/x86_64 Intel/AMD motherboards, and a U-Boot UEFI payload for coreboot on ARM64(Aarch64) motherboards.
<x512[m]>
So no UEFI on x86?
<x512[m]>
This "open firmware" things are usually very Linux-centric.
<scanty>
AlienSoldier: that 2600 game looks interesting.
<scanty>
maybe i'll take mine from storage.
<x512[m]>
And Linux kernel community likes vendor lock.
<addo2[m]>
seems that uefi on x86 has been (very) recently added. it supports bsd and i've seen people using windows on it
<addo2[m]>
however, the posts i've seen online are hinting on haiku not working on libreboot. but they're usually ~10 years old and most likely outdated
<x512[m]>
Only testing can allow to know does Haiku work with Libreboot or not.
<x512[m]>
Description at Libreboot web page says that UEFI is ARM 64 only.
<scanty>
well, i have some errands to do, i'll be back later.
<Habbie>
i'm currently trying to boot haiku with coreboot+seabios
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) Beshare.tycomsystems.com is back online, for you BeShare online chat and file sharing users. Their admin says running for 24 years!
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Geez, beshare.agmsmith.ca has been around since 2014, slightly over 10 years!
<AlienSoldier>
i missed the 10 year cake :)
<B2IA>
(AGMS) We're having a little BeOS rememberences chat on Tycom right now.
<B2IA>
(AGMS:) AGMS:
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Talking about BeShare, we wondered where people had gone on to. Turns out Muscle (the message passing library code BeShare uses) is still being worked on https://github.com/jfriesne and there was a release a day or two ago. About page for Muscle is at https://public.msli.com/lcs/muscle/index.html
<Habbie>
oof. the -first- thing the ia32 loader does is go to long mode
<Habbie>
debug.com does not like that
<Habbie>
(or 32 bit mode? some post-8086 mode anyway :) )
<AndrevS>
protected mode would make sense?
<Habbie>
oh yeah likely
<Habbie>
anyway, that means i cannot debug what happens after that
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<Habbie>
how come r1beta5 anyboot is 1.4G but today's nightly is only 556 MB?
<Habbie>
i vaguely recall knowing why the difference
<Habbie>
wait i'm comparing the .iso and the .zip
<Habbie>
ok, 1.4G versus 659M
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<Habbie>
58836 (without the additional patches waddlesplash gave me) reboots the chromebook immediately as well
<Habbie>
i see haiku nightlies are on wasabi.com. they say egress traffic is free up to 100% of the bucket capacity. does haiku have a special deal for going over that?
<Habbie>
what's special about the jam in buildtools?