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<grexe>
getting desparate with a messaging issue here, can anybody rubber duck this with me?
<grexe>
Want to send a Tracker message (kNewEntryFromTemplate) to a PoseView by using the messenger stored in the "TrackerViewToken" field. Checked that the messenger is valid and the team is indeed Tracker, but the message never arrives in Tracker's or rather PostView's MessageReceived(). what the heck?
<grexe>
new -> (from template) does the same...
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<grexe>
message is sent successfully from my side (status == B_OK)
<grexe>
message->what code also matches, using fields as expected:
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<phschafft>
hm.
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<grexe>
@phschafft hm indeed ;-) Tracker has some strange ways..;-)
<phschafft>
;)
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<Begasus>
matrix having issues it seems
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<Begasus[m]>
QtCreator17 released :)
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<Begasus>
'lo nephele
<nephele>
hello Begasus
<Begasus>
all good there? haven't seen you for a few days (or missed you) :)
<nephele>
sure, was not at home for the weekend, and yesterday played some games :)
<Begasus>
+1 good to hear, doesn't hurt to take some time-off :)
<nephele>
ugh, this debian laptop i updated doesn't work anymore .-.
<bjorkintosh>
downdate it.
<Begasus>
been playing with some linux installs on one of the other laptops, no matter wath, they s*c* :)
<Begasus>
s/wath/what
<nephele>
i use one linux install to develop luanti(minetest) because it runs too badly on Haiku
<nephele>
maybe i should get into graphics programming and improve it's renderer instead, it's quite bad :)
<nephele>
opening the inventory cuts my fps in half because of so many drawcalls
<Begasus>
patches welcome? :)
<phschafft>
oh, nephele is back! *offers instant cookie*
<Begasus>
if (Qt6_VERSION VERSION_GREATER_EQUAL 6.9.0) (version is increasing there) :)
<nephele>
I hope instant cookies taste better than instant coffee :D
<phschafft>
don't know, never had a coffee in my life.
<Begasus>
grabbing qt_creator-17.0.0-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/qt_creator-17.0.0-1-x86_64.hpkg (done)
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<grexe>
now following Github summer fest in IceWeasel on Haiku :=) Great work guys!
<grexe>
I even got some free swag sent to Vienna, Austria :=)
<grexe>
interesting to see how useful AI tooling can actually help a great deal to speed up tracking down build errors and help with integrating APIs...
<grexe>
they use goldcast.io/ as a streaming platform, for some reason I had to switch to "Lite mode" to enable sound, but then everthing worked.
<nephele>
AI tooling is a net negative for productivity :)
<grexe>
that's what they say, but I actually had some really good "vibe";) sessions with grok - manual research and implementation would have taken much longer.
<grexe>
but since you're here, @nephele, I have an issue with messaging in Tracker from my SEN extended code to the PoseView and don't get why my message doesn't arrive... can you help?
<nephele>
To help you understand a concept, maybe. But if you fall into the trap of "hey, write this code for me", you get a bit time saving in code writing, and a huge increase in debugging time
<nephele>
grexe: I can take a look, sure
<grexe>
thx a bunch, let me just push the code and point you to the right location - just need to renew my tokens first ;-)
<nephele>
Begasus: the kde install on my macbook a friend of mine uses also just blew up yesterday pretty much
<nephele>
suddenly nothing worked anymore, and each app said it's config was RO :D
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<grexe>
@nephele if you read this, here is the code in question: this message never arrives, but the format is correct (expected what code and fields), messenger is valid, and target is the Tracker team ID.
<grexe>
if @mmu_man or @waddlesplash want to take a look, this would also be very much appreciated pls :)
<nephele>
let me clone it, one moment. github has terribly performance...
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<nephele>
grexe: where are you getting the tracker messenger from? i.e what does "message" in that context refer to?
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<nephele>
it seems tracker stuffs seperate messengers into that depending on context, i.e one for poseview, one for infowindow and such
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<grexe>
I use the same TrackerViewToken as in other locations, it points to the PoseView, I could verify it has the Tracker's teamId as target.
<grexe>
yeah it would be better, designwise, to have Tracker's main MessageLoop distribute messages to its components, not exposing inner modules that much. But then again, it's more flexible that way, loosely coupled.
<grexe>
It's just strange that I see the message being fired, status code is B_OK, but it never arrives *anywhere*, also checked Tracker's main messagereceived()
<nephele>
flexlible? i don't know. If third party apps depend on tracker internals it just makes it that much harder to clean up
<nephele>
anyhow, for your line 150, i don't see where you send this to tracker at all
<grexe>
yes, my thoughts exactly.
<grexe>
I also tried be_app_messengerr
<nephele>
be_app_messenger is not really well documented, but i guess this is for the application server or so? it doesn't really say...
<grexe>
ah wait... is this just a debugging/cleanup mishap or something else... lemme check
<grexe>
it's the messenger of be_app which is the global BApp pointer to your running app
<nephele>
aren't you sending the message to yourself then?
<grexe>
yeah, this line got removed accidentally, but was there when I tested, didn't help: result = trackerMessenger.SendMessage(&msgCreateNewFromTemplate);
<grexe>
@nephele in that case I would send the kNewEntryFromTemplate command to Tracker's main message loop and it would get discarded as it's not handled there.
<grexe>
but I am explicitly using PoseView as target, or so was the plan at least.
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<nephele>
it depends on what the target is then, but i don't see where you set the target here, is it set somewhere else? what is the "default" target of this mesenger?
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<nephele>
anyhow, depending on where your message comes from it might not actually link to poseview, but for example infowindow
<nephele>
as for depending on the internals, you are free to submit changes to handle something in trackers "main" que and let it deal with it internally to have a more stable public api :)
<grexe>
was already thinking about that... but want to keep SEN related changes minimal for now.
<grexe>
I see this being done in PoseView line 7508 (!!) as well:
<grexe>
I will check the messenger if it is the same as in my case.
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<grexe>
update: yes it is :thinking:
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<grexe>
checking actual target Handler and Looper now.
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<Begasus>
re
<Begasus>
nephele, re KDE install, nothing beats Haiku on those older hardware :)
<phschafft>
yes, yes. let's make KDE the default desktop on Haiku!
<Begasus>
just need one there to not have to reboot this into Windows for things :)
<Begasus>
nah! don't need the bloat, just the apps :P
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<nephele>
I use linux so i don't have to use windows, and i use haiku so i don't have to use linux ;)
<grexe>
same :=) Linux is my mainstream OS but I use Haiku way more often now, quasi as my daily driver :=)
<grexe>
@nephele so yeah, targetHandler is Tracker in the NOK case, and PoseView in the OK case. makes sense, now checking how to fix this.
<phschafft>
hm.
<phschafft>
I use Debian for basically everything because it justworks^TM.
<nephele>
I'd assume making trackers "main" handler you are supposed to contact from the outside handle this message and forward it properly
<nephele>
phschafft: just works broke again for me today ;)
<nephele>
but it's what i expect from linux pretty much
<phschafft>
nephele: to be honest? all systems break under you. ;)
<phschafft>
yes, it is that you want them to break.
<nephele>
Not really.
<phschafft>
and I guess they are user friendly in the sense that you get what you want.
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<nephele>
just recently found out that debians installer cannot deal with using the backup block from a gpt disk, instead not showing it at all
<nephele>
response was basically that people usually don't have broken gpt tables
<nephele>
... and that's the attitude i expect from linux
<phschafft>
I have been on Debian for 20 years, on other dists before that. And I never had a big problem that wasn't directly my fault.
<nephele>
You've said so before
<phschafft>
and all you do is complain about it.
<Begasus[m]>
had been using Ubuntu for more then ten years as my main OS (if it wasn't even longer), now the main OS is Haiku :)
<nephele>
No, I don't. I do something about it if my system breaks. I can't be held responsible for the quality linux has
<phschafft>
but you are repsonsible for your attitude.
<nephele>
"<phschafft> nephele: to be honest? all systems break under you. ;)"
<nephele>
" <phschafft> yes, it is that you want them to break."
<nephele>
Honestly, it seems more that your attitude is the problem here
<phschafft>
I remember my words, but thanks for reminding me.
<phschafft>
Begasus[m]: I don't think I will get my answer from him today ;)
<phschafft>
Begasus[m]: But I think I also finally forgot the question, so hey, not a problem!
<phschafft>
nephele: Thank you for expressing your opinion. it is noted.
* Begasus[m]
takes a note
<Begasus[m]>
k, qtcreator working fine here, not sure how much the Qt version will matter in the build on buildmaster though :)
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<grexe>
@nephele: solved it, WORKS :=) stupid me was passing in be_app_messenger to my custom menu after all.
<grexe>
@phschafft I feel you, natural born tester;-) I once crashed a mighty IBM AS/400 just by pressing the Help key at the "wrong" moment ;-)
<nephele>
grexe: so wrong destination after all?
<grexe>
and as for Linux, happy Manjaro user since some 15 years.
<grexe>
@nephele: yes in a subtle way;0
<grexe>
now SEN will happily create new relation templates for you. WIP though, needs filtering and actually storing the relation, as already working from the CLI.
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<OscarL>
Just checked, saw same "banner" in one of my PRs too.
<OscarL>
weird thing by Microsoft to try to "upsale" to potential custumers that never even tried your product :-D
<Begasus[m]>
can't find anything for copilot at haikuports also ...
<Begasus[m]>
well, problem won't prevent adding new PR's, just wonder where this comes from
<Begasus[m]>
Hola OscarL
<OscarL>
as an "ad"... makes a compelling case for not even bothering trying it either way :-)
<Begasus[m]>
trying to shove something we don't want down our trought(*)?
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: most likely they just pushed that ad into all us "free loaders" that do not pay money for it alredy.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, there is a change announced searching the net, starting today
<OscarL>
Should have at least filtered to users that actually use the stuff, lol :-D
<Begasus[m]>
hence we see it "now"
<Begasus[m]>
right :)
<OscarL>
Got a "new" (hand me down) phone... still trying to set it up before switching fully to it... as part of the forced "initial setup"... (besides updating some apps already included)...
<OscarL>
it installed about 14 new apps... none of which I will ever use, lol. Good thing I walked down to get free WiFi for that process... would have killed my data plan :-/
<Begasus[m]>
other phone not working anymore?
<OscarL>
"M365-Copilot", spotify, linkedin, 2 different browsers, and a bunch of stuff I still need to uninstall, lol. Terrible onboarding experience, and sure way to make me not ever even open those apps.
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<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: the one with the 2 soldered batteries... still works... but apps are not compatible anymore with its android version :-(
<OscarL>
(forcing me to either get a phone with a newer Android version, or stop using banks, and having to revert to an all-cash economy)
<Begasus[m]>
downgrade Android? ;)
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<Begasus[m]>
well, if the new(ish) one works you should be good for a bit then :)
<OscarL>
Also... seems the old batteries do not like the cold weather... phone died on me while trying to make payments, twice in a week, despite battery supposedly over 25% :-)
<Begasus[m]>
woot, hope your payment didn't go down double :)
<Begasus[m]>
biab
<nephele>
just sing "no no, no no no no, no no no no There's no limit!"
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: :-D. yeah.. this thing is a beast (specially compared to what I always had). Should serve me for quite some years, hopefully.
<OscarL>
nephele: hi there. Tried the "Bluetooth HID thing" on this new device... worked right away in Win10.
<OscarL>
Installed some free apps to do some quick tests... can use it to emulate a keyboard/mouse/touchpad... even gamepad apparently (haven't tested the latter yet).
<OscarL>
(apps on the Android side, I mean... no server/drivers needed on the PC side)
<nephele>
oh, neat.
<OscarL>
right. Would be cool to have support for those on Haiku :-)
<nephele>
fwif our HID stack for usb can be repurposed for bluetooth, (and i2c?) but this needs some refactoring to divorce it from the usb side of things
<OscarL>
afaik, the "bluetooth hid" thing works on Android 9.x and up.
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<PulkoMandy>
The hid stack is already separatedtand ready for reuse, and the i2c driver already reuses it
<PulkoMandy>
the separation isn't perfect (it's a static lib that gets duplicated into each hid rodule, it could instead be a separate generic hid bus_manager, but that seems quite complex to set up for little gains)
* OscarL
will have to do some serious reading about all this HID stuff.
<nephele>
very cool PulkoMandy :)
<nephele>
should make the bluetooth work easier
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* OscarL
also got a "new" old motherboard for the Phenom II X4.
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<OscarL>
still have to finish setting that one up.
<OscarL>
has an nVidia 7025 IGP... finally I'll be able to make use of rudolfc's driver :-)
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<Anarchos>
nephele this specific value, B_GET_BIOS_DRIVE_ID
<Anarchos>
nephele it leads me to this kind of discussion :https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/8705/34?tab=comments
<Anarchos>
which seems non-sense to reviewers, but i had to support this ioctl in devfs
<nephele>
support it for what?
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<nephele>
anyway, for your local checkout you can use git blame Anarchos
<nephele>
it will show you which commit added that line
<nephele>
then you can use git show <commit>
<nephele>
and hopefully there will be an explanation for you, or the context in which it was added
<Anarchos>
nephele oh i think it originated from BeOS.
<nephele>
could be, but we don't have to keep compatibility for ioctls i think. It depends on if this makes sense or is a burden to keep around
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<Anarchos>
nephele it is there since first commit in 2002. As it is a public header, it must be kept for BeOS compatibility in R1 (and moved in glass elevator project)
<Begasus[m]>
if nothing pops up qtcreator merge will be for tomorrow
<Begasus[m]>
closing down here
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps
<OscarL>
see you Begasus[m]. end your day well.
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<gordonjcp>
here I am, 9pm, sitting with a tin of beer installing Windows Server 2008 because somebody asked me a really scary question at work today
<erysdren>
what was the question
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<phschafft>
erysdren++
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<gordonjcp>
erysdren: something along the lines of "do we know if we can reinstall this weirdly specific server software that the vendor no longer supports, because $machine has been a bit flaky the past couple of days"
<gordonjcp>
$machine has now shat its legs off entirely
<bjorkintosh>
gordonjcp: what was the server software, something java related?
<gordonjcp>
bjorkintosh: no no, far weirder than that
<bjorkintosh>
go on. this is BeOS. we like weird.
<gordonjcp>
stuff to do with handling a network protocol called GD92
<gordonjcp>
you will only have come across it if you work for one of the UK or New Zealand Fire Brigades, or possibly the Coastguard
<bjorkintosh>
hah. never heard of it.
<bjorkintosh>
what's it written in?
<gordonjcp>
that's vendor-specific but given its age probably most of the software is C
<erysdren>
fascinating
<gordonjcp>
I can fire over the spec if you like
<bjorkintosh>
sounds like an own goal.
<bjorkintosh>
... or, a consulting side gig for one gordonjcp.
<gordonjcp>
it's what happens when people who did Computing at uni in the 1980s in the UK come up with an ultra-reliable distributed network protocol, on a government salary
<gordonjcp>
it's very cool
<gordonjcp>
it's very weird
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<bjorkintosh>
is it well documented too?
<gordonjcp>
it's so weird, so abstruse, that I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't gained more traction in the ham radio community
<gordonjcp>
yeah I have the full spec for the protocol, just not for this particular software
<gordonjcp>
which was written by a company that got bought by a company that got bought by a government organisation that got bought by a company that got bought by Capita, which got bought by NEC, and then that got bought by NEC but a different branch of it and renamed into something else
<gordonjcp>
Motorola is somewhat involved too
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<bjorkintosh>
'cause they install emergency service handling systems.
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<gordonjcp>
yeah but they have their own one, and very nice it is too