<OscarL>
same with WinAmp's AVS visualization... crazy trippy graphics synced to music... set as background/wallpaper.. all while using very, very little CPU even on an old Athlon TBird. Again thanks to video overlay.
<scanty>
yeah... overlay is like free video
<OscarL>
yup.
<OscarL>
ultra usefull when the CPU is the main bottle neck. An Atom N450 has no issues decoding 720p h264, but trying to display it to 1080p... or heck, even 768p full screen, kills the frame-rate unless you're using video-overlay :-)
<scanty>
indeed
<OscarL>
wish I was smarter, and could fix the video-overlay support for the N450 (GMA3150) on Haiku's intel_extreme driver.
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<OscarL>
I'm pleasantly surprised about how well this Celeron N4020 handles Win10 as host, and Haiku in a VM (VBox at the moment).
<OscarL>
I mean... it gets laggy (and throttles down) when running compile/test jobs via HaikuPorter... but for basic stuff... not much difference from my Phenom II X4.
<OscarL>
and that Intel QuickSync stuff.. man... tested it transcoding some old xvid files into h265... 3 to 5 times faster than the Phenom... under a 6W TDP (vs 95 W TDP on the latter).
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<WoC>
Your experience is probably different from ,ine, when it comes to Celeron, given that I predate the Celeron and know the reason why there is such a thing <OscarL> I'm pleasantly surprised about how well this Celeron N4020 handles Win10 as host, and Haiku in a VM (VBox at the moment).
<WoC>
Hint; the first Celerons were made from the batch that did not pass the QAQC
<WoC>
bw, a high number
<WoC>
btw*
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<Begasus[m]>
g'morning peeps
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<erysdren>
morning Begasus
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<Begasus[m]>
Hi there erysdren (@erysdren:matrix.org)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 66af8458a3bc - Update translations from Pootle
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<HaikuUser>
anyone using haiku as their main OS?
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* Begasus
raises hand
<Begasus>
quit a lot of us use it as their main OS, with another OS as backup for special cases where things are not supported by Haiku
<HaikuUser>
i see
<Begasus>
for one I need to use a ID card reader which I can't use in Haiku (ID reader used for governement* papers online)
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<Begasus>
OK, build completed on 64bit :) grabbing llvm20-20.1.7-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/llvm20-20.1.7-1-x86_64.hpkg
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<Begasus>
nice, so far first check reverting the gtk4/harfbuzz commit fixes the need to build harfbuzz with glib enabled :)
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<nipos>
I just uploaded a patch to Gerrit after quite a while and noticed that the Haiku format bot doesn't check if I did it right.Is the bot not active anymore?
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 7d07c4bc739d - Added Norwegian translation credits to AboutSystem
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<OscarL>
WoC: re: Celerons. I was there too, bought my father a Celeron 300A near the end of 1998.
<bjorkintosh>
Celerons: the DIWHY of CPUs.
<OscarL>
Chip binning has been a thing long before that, and more than reusing chips with quality issues, Celerons where a response to:
<OscarL>
1) Cyrix and AMD having faster and cheaper Socket 7 chips than Intel's aging Pentium MMX.
<OscarL>
2) Intel needed something cheaper than the costly Pentium II to convince people to switch... thus the Celerons (originally just PII without secondary cache).
<OscarL>
(Lack of those caches backfired, thus the quick change to Mendocino)
<bjorkintosh>
it was trash.
<bjorkintosh>
regardless of intention. it was complete trash.
<OscarL>
People ended up loving those 300A being generally easy to overclock to 450 Mhz... and even run in dual slot motherboards. (popular among BeOS users back then: the ABit BP6).
<OscarL>
one person's trash... another man's treasure. At the right price... they were OK, specially in markets like mine.
<OscarL>
(in any case... I was always more partial to the then underdog AMD)
<bjorkintosh>
yes. me too.
<Begasus[m]>
'lo awake peeps :)
<OscarL>
Hey there Begasus[m].
<OscarL>
full Python 3.13.5 build on this Celeron N4020 netbook (under a VM)... just shy of under 18 minutes (unoptimized build... no way I'm running a full LTO this way :-P)
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<Begasus[m]>
still nice OscarL !
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<OscarL>
yeah, not bad!
<OscarL>
I should be using non-optimized builds anyway while updating recipes/patchsets.
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<scanty>
OscarL: good idea. optimise after you know it works.
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: still... hard to beat the < 2 minutes unoptimized build when building from RAMFS, and outside HaikuPorter :-D
<scanty>
so you should be turning on -g, and not stripping.
<scanty>
also, hello!
<scanty>
and -O0
<OscarL>
I remember waddlesplash being a bit incredulous/surprised about that time measurment :-)
<Begasus[m]>
hi scanty , up early today? :)
<OscarL>
hello there scanty! good day to you, pal!
<scanty>
yeah
<scanty>
up early... couldn't sleep.
<scanty>
how are you feeling, OscarL
<OscarL>
pretty good for a change, actually! :-)
<erysdren>
hi folks
<scanty>
great news :-)
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* OscarL
waves at erysdren.
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<OscarL>
scanty: your respiratory issues clear up yet, I hope?
<scanty>
yes, OscarL. Thank you for asking :^)
<scanty>
brb making tea....
<scanty>
mmm earl grey. now to let it cool enough so it's drinkable...
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<scanty>
Begasus[m]: working on anything ATM?
* OscarL
remembers to use "git add -p" for once.
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<scanty>
OscarL: what does -p do?
<OscarL>
allows you to interactively choose which part of your changes to want to add.
<scanty>
ah, interesting.
<OscarL>
say... you made some "proper changes", but also added a printf you don't want to commit.... can choose to leave the latter out of it.
<scanty>
yeah, before git, my friend and i would frequently exchange zipfiles of our sources with most recent changes
<scanty>
"dirty merging" as i called it.
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<WoC>
not to mentio; cvs, svn etc
<scanty>
we used to use rcs a looong time ago.
<WoC>
and typos... arghhh
<scanty>
we had a cvs for a while, iirc
<WoC>
right, forgot that one, for a reason maybe
<OscarL>
rcs for the (not) win! :-P
<WoC>
aye, rcs... some things are better to forget
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<OscarL>
beats SourceSafe in any case, LOL
<scanty>
this is like 25 years ago.
<WoC>
i'm old ;)
<OscarL>
or "SourceUnSafe" as anyone that ever used it calls it.
<jmairboeck>
there were quite a few situations where I wanted the equivalent of git add -p for svn, but unfortunately, svn doesn't have an index like git
<scanty>
yeah. me too...
<WoC>
getting closer to triple score
<scanty>
well, three score is 60.
<WoC>
yup, most don't know that though
<scanty>
;)
<WoC>
not to meantion heavier, almost 10 stones...
<WoC>
another forgotten thing
<scanty>
140 pounds... not too heavy
<WoC>
10 stones = 250 lbs
<scanty>
oh my bad.
<WoC>
;) old systems ;)
<scanty>
hm, 250 is pretty heavy, unless perhaps you're really tall and built
<OscarL>
(this thing needs 2 more cores to be usable while running a build)
<WoC>
not to mention the cubit, which was roman...
<WoC>
but now in AI
<WoC>
or Quntum...
<WoC>
Quantum
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<WoC>
wonder who will make the first Quantum AI
<scanty>
that's probably impossible at this point.
<scanty>
most modern quantum computers can only do simple maths, like 5+5
<WoC>
a lot of things have been deemed impossible
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<scanty>
i'm not saying it's it's impossible, we just don't have the tech yet.
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<WoC>
maybe we do, just not official ;)
<scanty>
i doubt that.
<Begasus[m]>
heading out, cu peeps :)
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<scanty>
that was early (for him)
<OscarL>
weekend, prolly has family visit :-)
<scanty>
yeah, perhaps
<OscarL>
wonder why on earth this "test_random" is taking so long. don't recall it ever hanging before (on the Phenom at least).
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<scanty>
OscarL: any output on terminal?
<OscarL>
non other that the list of tests currently running, and their runtimes...
<OscarL>
will need to kill some threads via ProcessController to get the ball rolling.
<scanty>
ah
<OscarL>
Too bad that all running tests look exactly the same in ProcessController's tread menu, so... its a bit of a russian roulette.
<OscarL>
*thread
<scanty>
grr.
<OscarL>
let's kill the one using 565 MB of ram first :-D
<scanty>
jeez
<phschafft>
is there a similar syscall like sysinfo() on linux? And/or which call to make to get the RAM usage data?
* OscarL
hopes ProcessController sorts both mem and thread items by the same criteria
<OscarL>
thread seems unkillable 8-/
<scanty>
try pkill, or kill -9 maybe.
<scanty>
(that was for OscarL)
<OscarL>
that's why I wrote /bin/pidof :-D
<OscarL>
would be nice to be able to get the full command line for a given pid, but Haiku chops it at way too short a buffer to be able to distinguish them that way.
<scanty>
i see.
<Habbie>
interesting, because i bet it does know
<scanty>
hello there Habbie
<OscarL>
it knows when starting the process, but can't retrieve that info after the fact, not at least with the original API, and with the extended one... I haven't had much better luck, last I've tried.
<Habbie>
right
<Habbie>
i wonder if it does keep a full copy in some kernel structure
<Habbie>
because functionally it does not really have to
<OscarL>
err, not kernel team, but "system resources". I got bad memory :-D
<scanty>
np
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<scanty>
yeah, those numbers seem quite high on my system.
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<OscarL>
after I rebooted the vm, and after opening Web+ to do that bpa.st... now I see 198.66 MiB for the kernel_team (with a couple of Terminal running, and some "git show" that surely dirtied some caches)
<OscarL>
s/dirtied/filled/
<OscarL>
scanty: fresh at boot number: 191.05 MiB for the kernel_team.
<scanty>
wow
<scanty>
i have 7 apps running, some with a few windows.... 800MBytes eaten
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<OscarL>
any qt/gtk based? some of those can be memory hogs.
<scanty>
tracker windows, terminals, pe, web+, konversation, and audacious
<scanty>
audacious is Qt
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<scanty>
couldn't really find an audio player i like more than it.
<OscarL>
I still mourn CL-Amp not being opensourced :-(
<scanty>
me too. i wrote a NSF (nintendo sound format) plugin for it a long time ago on BeOS
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<scanty>
actually, i miss SoundPlay quite a bit.
<OscarL>
I wrote a 10-band equalizer for it (that worked for other formats than mp3... as long as the output was in 44.1 KHz :-D)
<OscarL>
*for cl-amp, I mean.
<scanty>
nice
<scanty>
well, most of my sound code is in place. i am afraid to try it.
<scanty>
but still, having package management now in haiku is awesome.
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<scanty>
hmmm.... massive copy from ext4 to bfs.... let's see how this goes...
<phschafft>
how massiv?
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<scanty>
about 250GB
* phschafft
nods.
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<scanty>
slow. ~1.5MiB/s
<scanty>
depends on file size
<scanty>
lots of files i might have been able to filter out before doing thins, but oh well, i'll just wait... :-)
<scanty>
this*
<scanty>
OscarL: are you still around?
<scanty>
\
<scanty>
nvm i forgot what i was going to ask you.
<OscarL>
yep, just got sidetracked seeing what it would take to add BeOS software wallet .pkg support in Beezer
<OscarL>
lol :-D
<scanty>
hmmm let me think on in for a while.
<scanty>
it'll come back
<scanty>
\
<OscarL>
np.
<OscarL>
k, I think I understand about 3/4 of what I need to do to allow Beezer to open .pkg files... and in typical /me fashion... that means abandoning that effort for at least 2-to-6 months before making more progress.
<bjorkintosh>
OscarL: it's alright. life happens. I'm sure I've got a readme open somewhere that I haven't breathed on in over a year.
<bjorkintosh>
full intention to read it though.
<OscarL>
:-)
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<scanty>
ok, moving larger files goes faster
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<scanty>
as it should be.
<OscarL>
too boot... BFS always was on the slower side of things, while handling many small files.
<OscarL>
s/too/to/
* phschafft
still wonders why that is the case.
<OscarL>
in part, having to update indexes, if those are enabled.
* phschafft
also thinks someone said it got improved recently.
<phschafft>
but that should hardly affect a bulk copy ;)
<OscarL>
but even back in BeOS days... comparing raiserfs vs bfs with queries disabled... was a bloodbath.
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<OscarL>
*BeOS days as in... in 2004/2005 when I was till using it as main OS.
<scanty>
mine dates back to 1999/2000
<OscarL>
my first install was in very late 2000, just in time to get excited about it, get some of the late BeNewsletters, and then learn of Be's demise some short months after that :-/
<scanty>
i remember when R5 came out, i ditched school to install and play with it.
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<scanty>
ah, so you didn' t really have a lot of time to use it.
<OscarL>
Not while Be still existed, no. But made plenty of use of it in the next years (specially after getting one of the few winmodems that had BeOS drivers)
<scanty>
ah lucky. winmodems are evil.
<OscarL>
inded. even more evil... AMR ones.
<scanty>
what's AMR?
<OscarL>
Some cost-cutting measure, where the sound card does the DSP part of the modem, and a small daughter board does the interfacing with the telephone lines...
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<OscarL>
Seems like I'll be able to extract .pkg file's contents... even before being able to just list what it contains, lol.
<Habbie>
what are you doing? :)
<OscarL>
free-falling into a rabbit hole :-D
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<Habbie>
lol
<OscarL>
in that... one thing leads to another... ended up wanting to see what a BeOS .pkg file contained...
<Habbie>
oh! not hpkg
<OscarL>
nah, the SoftwareWallet ones.
<OscarL>
Haiku has a LegacyPackageInstaller, which I could have used to "install" the content, but seemed a bit excessive for my use case (specially considering that the package was some odd-ball driver... and this is Haiku 64 bits).
<OscarL>
then thought... "this can't be too hard to add to Beezer (after all, already added squashfs to it, and completed hpkg extraction for it)".
<OscarL>
and here I am... about 3/4 of implementing an "unswpkg" command line tool (but to add "just list the damn files"... I'll need to actually modify the code I stole from Haiku.
<OscarL>
s/./)/
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