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<Begasus[m]>
g'morning peeps
<erysdren>
morning Begasus
<Begasus[m]>
Hi there erysdren (@erysdren:matrix.org)
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<janking>
hi
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<janking>
Good day to you all :)
<erysdren>
hello janking
<janking>
:)
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<OscarL>
oh, looks like git is in the process of removing perl as base requirement! (will still be needed to run tests, apparently).
<Habbie>
nice
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<Begasus[m]>
Hola OscarL habbie
<OscarL>
morning Begasus[m]!
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: finally was able to fix one of my main complains with pkgman yesterday! Now I can tell "install" to *not* refresh the repo caches :-D (pkgman install -R foobar)
<OscarL>
already updated my "pki" alias to use it, heh.
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL: what's the benifit for it?
<OscarL>
not having to download the HaikuPorts repo cache (2.x MiB) several times a day when I just want to install a locally built package.
<OscarL>
also, working better if connection gets flacky by avoiding needesly contacting the servers (happens frequently here)
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<Begasus[m]>
you can still use "pkgman refresh" though?
<OscarL>
sure.
<Begasus[m]>
k, guess it makes sense if every bit counts :)
<OscarL>
and the default "pkgman install" still refreshes as normal.
<Begasus[m]>
progress then :)
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<OscarL>
I think so, yes. It closes an 8 years old ticket that several others have complained about too. :-)
<Begasus[m]>
nice then! :)
<OscarL>
I'm just happy I finally managed to do it (have tried in the past, but kept failing). Now I look at it, and can't belieave how simple it was, lol.
<Begasus[m]>
k, why would we need appstreamcli, afaik it's never been used (and used for package installations or something?)
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<Begasus[m]>
hi Anarchos
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<Anarchos>
hello mmu_man
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<nekobot>
• humdingerb (447b26d1): yt-dlp: update to 2025.06.09
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<nephele>
Hi
<janking>
Hi
<erysdren>
meow
<Begasus[m]>
whoof
<janking>
:)
<nephele>
i didn't know beeing a dog was contagious Begasus[m]
<Habbie>
dogasus
<Begasus[m]>
it is! :D
<Begasus[m]>
well, doesn't look too good for Belgian breeders the way the governement is acting
<Habbie>
breeding belgians? is that legal?
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<nephele>
what's the dogerment want from you dogasus?
<Begasus[m]>
dogerment?
<nephele>
I thought we were making dog puns
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<Begasus[m]>
oh lol
<Begasus[m]>
they created "new" Belgium pedigree (not FCI regulated)
* janking
is idle: BRB
<Begasus[m]>
so we'll probably plan our last litter now (this year)
<nephele>
isn't that a kind of food?
<nephele>
ah, more dog specific terms, wasn't quite sure what that all is :)
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<phschafft>
If it is legal for humans to breed dogs based on their what they look like, it should also be legal for dogs to do the same with humans.
<Begasus[m]>
phschafft: the outcome there could maybe be better then now :P
<nephele>
phschafft: but persons don't qualify for doghood
<phschafft>
Begasus[m]: can't be worse!
<Begasus[m]>
right
<phschafft>
I mean, most humans are stupid already. so if they would at least look nice, that would be a big step forward. ;)
<nephele>
phschafft: that actually explains the "sucess" of AI, if you only need a computer to immitate vague competence ;)
<phschafft>
;)
<phschafft>
and I mean there is no law in physics that would limit AI to be worse than 'NI'.
<nephele>
No, but then again, we don't have anything that deserves to be called AI :)
<phschafft>
still I find that AI is now smarter than a good number of humans.
<nephele>
so is wikipedia *shrug*
* phschafft
feels apples and bananas popping up in his paws.
<nephele>
i wish minetest(luanti) had some better gui apis
<nephele>
I can kinda do what i want. But not really, because i need stuff per-player, but the darn things are per-node instead
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<WoC>
is there any plugins for Vision ? i.e. SysInfo etc ? or something like /exec -o <etc> ?
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<nephele>
Plugins? I don't think so? what do you need plugins for in a chat client?
<WoC>
i.e. HexChat has SysInfo
<WoC>
And other plugins to run scripts
<WoC>
i.e. perl, tcl etc
<WoC>
Just curious, as I didn't see a HexChat for Haiku
<nephele>
Well, we have the Terminal for that? :)
<WoC>
but the /exec -o cmd... is mising
<WoC>
i.e. /exec -o uname -a
<nephele>
works in the terminal?
<WoC>
ofc
<WoC>
show the kernel version etc
<WoC>
plain text
<WoC>
cli command
<nephele>
we don't have a seperate kernel version :)
<WoC>
well, there is a kernel version
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<phschafft>
I think nephele just don't get the point WoC is trying to communicate.
<Habbie>
"does Vision have /exec -o" is a simple question in theory
<WoC>
uname -a --> Haiku shredder 1 hrev57937+129 Dec 10 2024 21:49 x86_64 x86_64 Haiku
<Habbie>
(/exec -o executes commands and sends the output to IRC)
<nephele>
Habbie: I already answered "I don't think so" to that....
<Habbie>
right
<WoC>
ty ;)
<nephele>
but that doesn't make me less confused about the usecase
<Habbie>
i've used /exec -o to share various bits of output with the people in a channel
<Habbie>
although usually you should just pastebin
<WoC>
pastebin seems a bit overkill for half a line of info
<Habbie>
yes
<erysdren>
agreed
<phschafft>
it is clearly a useful tool in your toolbox as long as it is not the only tool.
<nephele>
I think for a "user-friendly" chat client running random commands is not such a nice idea. Many people who've never used IRC or Haiku start the system and then randomly open the client :)
<WoC>
although, for the dictionary I would see your point
<erysdren>
i dunno if typing /exec -o is something a newbie is gonna do
<nephele>
they would totally if someone tells them to
<phschafft>
nephele: then add a confirm to make sure the user understands that he is now running a command on the system.
<erysdren>
if someone's misleading them into doing that, they could just easily be told to enter it into their terminal for the same result
<Habbie>
so now it needs a security popup, atl east the first time
<nephele>
and i'd never expect a chat client to behave like a command prompt
<phschafft>
also please add the same to the terminal every time a user presses return!
<WoC>
i think i know what you are getting at, having used irc since the very beginning
<nephele>
Terminal is different.
<nephele>
If you enter something in StyledEdit you have an expectation that it will never get executed, no matter what
<nephele>
for Vision i'd expect the same with regards to OS commands
<phschafft>
there is a good number of random software that allows you to run external commands.
<nephele>
sure?
<WoC>
although, i will probably look for HexChat, or attempt to build it
<nephele>
WoC: does it use gtk2 or gtk3?
<nephele>
i think gtk3 should now be buildable against, with a bit wierd wayland compat layer
<phschafft>
nephele: again, feel free to have a warning of some kind installed, then I guess both your and WoC's usecase are handled well.
<WoC>
can't recall
<nephele>
so some keypresses might not work...
<nephele>
phschafft: nah
<WoC>
it's a remake of xchat
<nephele>
phschafft: I don't think it's that difficult, the default should be simple. And if you want something more extravagant you can just install whatever software you want
<phschafft>
WoC: but yes, going for a fully featured client might be the better way for you personally (or any power user)
<nephele>
Haiku is primarily intended to *NOT* have too many options
<WoC>
or build
<phschafft>
nephele: and I never talked about an option.
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<erysdren>
2.16.2, The Final Release Posted - 09 Feb 2024
<nephele>
WoC: anyway, hexchat is likely portable, if you want to take a shot at it, if you haven't already, take a look at haikuports. Usually it's easier to write a recipe directly (as that builds in a "controlled" env)
<erysdren>
kinda sad, i had no idea HexChat development was discontinued
<nephele>
erysdren: seemed like one of those softwares that'd always be available :)
<Habbie>
that's what everybody thought, i guess
<WoC>
still popular though
<Habbie>
but apparently not popular enough to find a maintainer. always sad when that happens
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<nephele>
we have Chat-O-Matic and konversations, weechat, bitch, irssi from looking at the depot
<nephele>
bithX*
<erysdren>
lol
<nephele>
BitchX*
<nephele>
what a wierd name
<WoC>
it's one of the oldest irc clients
<WoC>
no cigar on building hexchat... meson.build:16:13: ERROR: Dependency "gio-2.0" not found, tried pkgconfig
<phschafft>
BirchX is... if you have a tree problem. ;)
<OscarL>
Since I stopped using HexChat... my phone stopped randomly rebooting itself (while using it as USB-tethering device). No such issues since going back to OFTC web client :-D
<WoC>
Viel spass ;)
<Habbie>
OscarL, -what-
<WoC>
err; Viel spaß ;)
<WoC>
missed that i had international keys already
<WoC>
it's a German expression
<nephele>
WoC: hmm, have glib2_devel in your env?
<WoC>
should have
<WoC>
but it's complaining about gio-2.0
<OscarL>
Habbie: does that really sounds that weird, comming from me? :-D. And indeed, I've tried everything to stop that phone from rebooting... only ditching hexchat worked, LOL.
<nephele>
searching for gio gives me that package among other things
<nephele>
you can use haikudepot to inspect an installed package to see what files it has (and if it has gio, and if it does, if it installed pkgconfig files for it)
<nephele>
WoC: viel spaß is an expression? in english it's just have fun ;)
* nephele
remembers having opened the #haiku-de channel
<OscarL>
"pkgman search devel:libgio"
<OscarL>
WoC: "pkgman install devel:libgio_2.0" should work to install its header and .pc files (along with installing the .so, if you don't have them already)
<Begasus[m]>
everything glib2 related needs _2.0 :)
<WoC>
thanks, was missing that part; pkgman
<nephele>
grr, i have matrix for *one* minetest channel, and it works so baaadly, i don't have any matrix client working on any OS i have, ffs
<WoC>
ERROR: Dependency "gtk+-2.0" not found, tried pkgconfig ;p
<Begasus[m]>
nogo on gtk2
<OscarL>
(only matrix I have is my screensaver)
<nephele>
can you make it build with gtk3 WoC?
<WoC>
maybe
<nephele>
the gtk port isn't native in any case. the gtk3 one uses the wayland compat layer i think, but that isn't available for gtk2. gtk2 can probably also be ported though, with the x11compat lib.... maybe
<Begasus[m]>
WoC: if you are looking into hexchat, check versions at repology
<nephele>
(it doesn't actually implement X11, only one library used to interact with it)
<Begasus[m]>
maybe you'll find some useful clues there
* Begasus[m]
can switch between 3 matrix clients :)
<WoC>
looks like gtk2 only
<WoC>
i can always go back to BitchX
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* OscarL
wants a simple eyetracker to switch focus between different screens/windows just by looking at them.
<WoC>
bitchx can actually link at an eggdrop, but i never went that way
* Begasus[m]
runs for cover
<WoC>
err link with
<WoC>
btw, i have a botnet that has been up for more than 25 years
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<OscarL>
great, have 5 python packages to update! :-/ (will start slowly, and see how this netbook handles it)
<WoC`>
5 snakes in one netbook ? ;o
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<bjorkintosh>
python is no longer a snake.
<WoC>
heh
<bjorkintosh>
it is !!!TITANABOA!!!
<WoC>
bjorkintosh are you Swedfish by any chance ?
<WoC>
err Swedish
<OscarL>
with any luck, they'll fight each other instead of eating this little CPU alive :-/
<WoC>
i'm sure one will emerge as the winner, with the gentoo portage ;)
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL: is it needed to keep all uptodate? eg python3.9 not in use that much anymore?
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<OscarL>
well.. not strictly needed, no, I can (and will) prioritize 3.10, then 3.13 (probably next "default" at this pace), then the rest, and 3.9 last, just for sake of not leaving outdated recipes.
<WoC>
Anyone know a good place for bictx scripts ? There used to be a huge list of scripts, but afaik, they are all gone
<WoC>
bitchx scripts
<OscarL>
I guess I don't really need to test optimized builds for 3.9 at least :-D (and let the builders handle that)
<bjorkintosh>
WoC: no. But I owned two old volvo station wagons at one point.
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<WoC>
heh, just your nick ;)
<bjorkintosh>
oh.
* WoC
Texan, but born in Sweden
<janking>
:)
<bjorkintosh>
it's a short story. I had an old mac se II which I'd left open, and a SAMS windows NT book fell on it from my bookshelf, and b0rked it.
<bjorkintosh>
since I'm a big bjork fan, ... and I had a mac ...
<WoC>
Btw, The Volvo P1800 was the only sports car ever made by Volvo
<WoC>
in case you see one, they are worth a small fortune
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<WoC>
or get it and trade for a Mansion, assuming you don't have one already
<bjorkintosh>
I don't have one already.
<bjorkintosh>
and I don't have a P1800 handy either.
<erysdren>
i stole my username from unused story draft documents from the development of an obscure FPS game released over 25 years ago
<erysdren>
the word is not even used in the final game, lol.
<erysdren>
it was one of those words that felt kinda good to say, and read, and i googled it and got 0 results. so i took it.
<bjorkintosh>
I read it backwards, erysdren.
<OscarL>
heh
<bjorkintosh>
nerd syre
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* bjorkintosh
has a habit of reading screen names backwards
* janking
is idle: BRB
<bjorkintosh>
like WoC is clearly CoW
<OscarL>
erysdren, nick easy to remember too. good choice!
<erysdren>
thank you :D
<erysdren>
i need to dig up who wrote that specific document with the word. it'd be nice to credit them properly, somewhere
<bjorkintosh>
you no doubt read it backward too, erysdren?
<OscarL>
I have it because I tend to play with the Python packages, and they can use that during test-suite.
<WoC>
ty :)
<OscarL>
but otherwise, not really needed in Haiku.
<WoC>
also works with TZ=US/Central ; export TZ
<OscarL>
WoC: when in doubt, remember to use that "pkgman search cmd:foobar" thingie... will only list packages that provide a command that starts with "foobar".
<OscarL>
(remindsme I need to add an "--exact-match" option to that search)
<OscarL>
WoC: works too for "lib:" (.so). and "devel:".
<Habbie>
OscarL, uh, my acer branch, checking
<OscarL>
Habbie: don't worry... I think sysinfo is just missing data for that 0xfe value on my CPU.
<Habbie>
ack
<Habbie>
anyway, some month old hrev
<Habbie>
because of my patches i tend to stick to hrevs for a while
<OscarL>
need to see what it means for one of the *BSD and/or Linux... and get myself another patch going for this month :-D
<Habbie>
58862
<OscarL>
thanks.
<Habbie>
(plus some intel thing recognisition patches, but not for this)
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<OscarL>
build just started and CPU already at 80ºC :-/
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<WoC>
bring the bacon ;)
<OscarL>
and have the fire department on hold, just in case :-D
<WoC>
heh, cook out ;)
<WoC>
I'm sure they would alll enjoy the bacon
<OscarL>
considering that this is even on winter time... hope I can get a proper desktop before the summer comes.
<WoC>
i lived in Alaska for a while
<WoC>
iirc the record cold for Alaska is -80 F, and i think it was around the year 1917
<OscarL>
"cpu overheats? just open the window!"
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<OscarL>
"loses a finger or two in the process".
<WoC>
heh, although would be neat to see some mining rigs operating at those temps
<WoC>
localized summer ;)
<OscarL>
meanwhile down here... good news is... cpu temps do not get over 84-86ºC, bad news... throttles down to 2.1 GHz. Might as well try to take a nap while I wait :-)
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<Begasus[m]>
keep close to the PC OscarL , atleast you can keep yourself warm then :)
<OscarL>
that was with the Phenom II X4 (65 W TDP), this tiny thing is a 6 W TDP...
<OscarL>
"what is this? a space heater for ants?"
<OscarL>
:-D
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<WoC>
roasted ants can be a good source for vitamin c
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: still enough to slowly warm one hand at a time over the keyboard, heh.
<Begasus>
OscarL hard to switch then when you are sleeping :)
<WoC>
speaking from experience, it gets increasingly painful when the temp drops bellow -40
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<OscarL>
Begasus: true. need a second netbook then!
<WoC>
probably why the temp at -40 is the same in both C and F
<WoC>
netbook cluster ;)
<Begasus>
heh
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<OscarL>
WoC: was joking a couple days ago that I should do a Beowolf-style cluster with several netbooks (some missing the screen) that I have.. albeit doubt it would do much given they are Atom N450/455/2600 :-D
<OscarL>
woot! INSTALL() is running!
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<OscarL>
I think I should just do unoptimized builds locally (to check/fix the patchsets, and such) on this thing, and let the builders do the longer optimized builds.
<Begasus>
if the used sources are the same why not OscarL?
<Begasus>
a bit like enabling tests local, but disable them on the buildmasters (well vice/versa here) :)
<OscarL>
Right, and if some of the build breaks (of possible 10 in total), I can concentrate (CPU) effort in those then.
<Begasus>
+1
<OscarL>
specially for the LTO enabled ones... as I might need to leave them running overnight here.
<OscarL>
I have more or less already figured out which ones can fail or not, and generally, disabling parallel build on them makes them slower, but work again.
<OscarL>
"real: 41m22,357s", not bad!
<WoC>
currently my system is using /boot/system/add-ons/accelerants/vesa.accelerant how would i switch to /boot/system/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd.accelerant ?
<OscarL>
did you forced the use of VESA from the boot menu?
<WoC>
no
<OscarL>
then if your card was supported by the radeon_hd driver, it would be using it already.
<WoC>
This is a A10-9620P, the GPU part is Carrizo
<WoC>
(APU)
<OscarL>
(unless it is just missing the hardware IDs for your particular device).
<WoC>
that could be the case
<OscarL>
> listdev
<OscarL>
aka "Haiku's lspci"
<WoC>
vendor 1002: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
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<OscarL>
WoC: if you get the correct resolution/refresh rate with the VESA driver, you won't be missing much, as we don't have hardware accelerated graphics.
<WoC>
{0x9874, 11, 0, RADEON_CARRIZO, CHIP_APU, "Radeon HD Carrizo"},
<WoC>
. // WARN: DCE versions below here get sketchy
<WoC>
oh
<WoC>
in other words, wonky drivers
<WoC>
is there a way to enable that and try it ?
<OscarL>
I could compile that driver modded to enable just that card, if you're eager to test it. Did similar not long ago for another user, without any luck :-D
<WoC>
That would be awesome, maybe it's different for my device
<WoC>
and then i would simply replace my /boot/system/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd.accelerant with the new ?
<OscarL>
will require a bit of setup on your part, but first (while I try the compile and upload)... reboot, and get confortable with entering the boot menu, and selecting safe mode options (specially forcing the safe graphics driver).
<OscarL>
you will need if if the modded driver doesn't works :-)
<WoC>
entering the boot menu ? never doine that part actually
<OscarL>
contains a modded "radeon_hd" kernel driver, a "graphics" folder with a relative symlink to the modded driver (needed to get it picked up), and a "packages" file that black-lists the original driver, so it doesn't interfers with the test.
<OscarL>
after installation, reboot. if things go south, reboot, enter boot menu, select disable user addons, and enable safe mode graphics.
<OscarL>
then remove all the files you copied from that for-woc.zip file.
<OscarL>
it just went straight to VESA and no black screen or something? /var/log/syslog might contain intereting info (look for radeon_hd, radeon or then vesa)
<WoC>
yup
<WoC>
KERN: runtime_loader: Cannot open file /boot/home/config/lib/liblexilla.so (needed by <NULL>): No such file or directory
<WoC>
USER: instantiate_object failed: No signature specified in archive, looking for class "BGImageMenuItem".
<WoC>
KERN: runtime_loader: Cannot open file /boot/system/non-packaged/lib/liblexilla.so (needed by <NULL>): No such file or directory
<WoC>
KERN: runtime_loader: Cannot open file /boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib/liblexilla.so (needed by <NULL>): No such file or directory
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<WoC>
KERN: Radeon - Radeon_CardDetect: no supported devices found
<OscarL>
just to make sure the black-list worked (and is not using the unnmoded one)... make sure you don't see a "radeon_hd" file under "/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/"
<WoC>
none showing
<WoC>
radeon listed, but not radeon_hd
<OscarL>
also confirm presense of "/boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/radeon_hd", and that "/boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/graphics/radeon_hd" doesnt appears as a broken link.
<WoC>
it does
<OscarL>
broken link?
<WoC>
broken link that is
<OscarL>
ok. remove that...
<OscarL>
and create a new symlink in that folder...
<OscarL>
needs to point to "/boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/radeon_hd"
<WoC>
ooops, sorry, not broken
<WoC>
lrwxrwxrwx 1 user root 19 Jun 12 16:51 /boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/graphics/radeon_hd -> ../../bin/radeon_hd
<WoC>
-rwxr-xr-x 1 user root 47K Jun 12 16:20 /boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/radeon_hd*
<OscarL>
do you see any mention of those paths (or at least radeon_hd) in the syslog?
<WoC>
KERN: "/boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/graphics/radeon_hd": could not resolve symbol 'mutex_lock'
<WoC>
KERN: Could not load kernel add-on "/boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/graphics/radeon_hd": Symbol not found
<OscarL>
ah, darn.
<OscarL>
needs a nightly kernel :-(
<OscarL>
I'm running beta5, as I assume you are. but building the driver this way compiles it against newer code on the repo.
<OscarL>
(and seems we have diverged enough as to not be usable over beta5)
<WoC>
is there a way to checkout this version, and mod the radeon_hd again and etc...
<Habbie>
following the instructions on that url should solve the mutex_lock error
<Habbie>
it may also introduce other problems
<OscarL>
WoC: following those instructions to switch to nightlies, you should not need to do anything else than already done (modded files are in place, unless you removed them already)
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<OscarL>
but as Habbie said... may break even further (it's a nightly image after all)
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<WoC>
switching to nightly... moon is rising...
<Habbie>
the blood moon rises once again
<OscarL>
If nightly boots/works OK (regardless of state of radeon_hd driver)... you can either choose to revert back to beta5 ("downgrade" instructions on that page)...
<WoC>
aye, that time of month i guess
<OscarL>
or if things go south...
<OscarL>
you could select a previous "state" from the boot menu.
<WoC>
right
<OscarL>
(and then really do that "downgrade")
<Habbie>
should we first see if the boot menu works? or is that something we generally trust?
<WoC>
works for me
<WoC>
(boot menu)
<Habbie>
cool
<OscarL>
I had reverted from nightlies to beta5 a couple of times...
<OscarL>
works fine unless you install things inbetween.
<OscarL>
using the boot menu to select a previous state, I mean. the downgrade options should work regardless, once you can boot.
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<OscarL>
bad case scenario... boot from USB, nuke /system/packages/administrative/activated-packages, and boot again the broken install to see if that boots.
<OscarL>
worst case scenario... boot from USB, nuke /system/packages completely, copy the one from USB :-D
* OscarL
has used some "creative/stupid" workarounds sometimes
<Habbie>
what happens if you remove activated-packages?
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<OscarL>
it forces the package_daemon to recreate it from the package it *can* activate.
<OscarL>
or stops it from trying to activate package it can, halting the boot, if you prefer (not sure what "explanation" is closer to reality)
<OscarL>
s/what/which/
<Habbie>
thanks, close enough
<OscarL>
"it can" -> "it can't"
* OscarL
can't type.
<Habbie>
right
<Habbie>
i have a laptop here, fancy powerful thing, but the fan on the GPU side is broken
<Habbie>
and i just realised
<Habbie>
haiku wouldn't give a shit
<Habbie>
so instead of fixing the fan so my kid can game on it i should install haiku on it
<Habbie>
<kid> the fuck is this
<OscarL>
heh
<OscarL>
put Quake II or the Half-life port in it (both work nice in software renderer) and tell him is the latest beta of SteamOS :-P
<Habbie>
hehehe
<Habbie>
i even played minecraft on it, but that didn't go great
<Habbie>
also they were interested in this laptop because their own (with working GPU) isn't giving enough FPS
<OscarL>
kids these days! :-P
<Habbie>
yes
<OscarL>
I used to play doom 1 in its tiniest window, low details, no sound, and I don't think I ever got more than 12/15 FPS, if at all, on my first 386 SX :-D
<Habbie>
about the same as my thermostat then
<OscarL>
oh, sound! (after switching to an 486 DX2).
<OscarL>
got to play Quake II in software-rendered (graphics so low it looked like Doom on the 386), on a friend's AMD K5-PR133... he said... "nah, man... can't play it like that!", /me finished the game a couple times on that K5, heh.
<OscarL>
incredible how hardware has progressed.
<Habbie>
lol
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: wait, a haiku port of half-life?
<Habbie>
xash3d
<erysdren>
i don't think that exists
<erysdren>
oh, duh
<Habbie>
games-action/xash3d/xash3d-0.20~git.recipe:SUMMARY="An alternative engine for Half-Life based games"
<Habbie>
is what i can find anyway
<gordonjcp>
whaaaaaat
<erysdren>
xash3d is kind of lame though and legally dicey in terms of where a lot of the code came from
<erysdren>
but it's really the only option for FOSS half-life i guess
<OscarL>
worked fine with the game data from Steam, last I've checked.
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<OscarL>
not sure if that 3.5" SATA HDD died along with my motherboard, so can't check exact details (need to find me some USB adapter).
<Habbie>
i just ordered a usb 3.5" adapter from aliexpress
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<Habbie>
because i got a HUGE tower pc with 15 disks in it, and tomorrow i'm finally getting rid of the tower, and then i'll have 15 disks and no PC to put them in
<Habbie>
OscarL, does aliexpress work for you? because if so, i can let you know how this adapter works out for me
<OscarL>
(I probably should try finding some el-cheapo replacement motherboard for my Phenom... but second-hand market here is terrible)
<OscarL>
might try stealing the one my younger brother has :-P
<OscarL>
Habbie: no idea. I can't even get power bills delivered properly here, so... pressing X for doubt.
<OscarL>
:-D
<Habbie>
right
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<OscarL>
now that I think about it... should have some old Socket 754 mobo and a slow Sempron around here somewere. Slower even than the Atom N450 netboks, but should be enough to check the HDD and extract data.
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<OscarL>
erysdren: https://github.com/rehlds/ReHLDS might be a better option than xash3d perhaps? (assuming we can port that one)
<OscarL>
ah, that's the dedicated server only, no?
<Habbie>
looks that way
<erysdren>
FTEQW is compatible with all the Half-Life asset formats
<erysdren>
it's a Quake engine sourceport
<erysdren>
and then on top of FTEQW, there's the FreeHL project
<Habbie>
i "love" it when release notes, and especially READMEs themselves, assume you know things
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<erysdren>
but it's very early on, and mostly focuses on reimplementing Half-Life's Deathmatch mde
<erysdren>
mode*
<gordonjcp>
holy shit Half-life looks amazing and took about four minutes to download
<gordonjcp>
I remember it taking hours
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<gordonjcp>
fuck me, it works, and even at not-horrible frame rate
<OscarL>
:-)
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<gordonjcp>
the sound is weird and echoey
* OscarL
remembers he was doing a Python 3.10.18 update.
<gordonjcp>
wait now all the sound even in Linux is weird and echoey
<gordonjcp>
what the
<gordonjcp>
everything has this massive reverb on it now
<OscarL>
"Half-Life: Echoes", there's a mod like that :-P
<gordonjcp>
it's still present even after rebooting, what the hell
<gordonjcp>
wait, shit
<gordonjcp>
yes okay, V2.0 has been at the mixer, my PC audio currently runs through the studio mixer
<gordonjcp>
small child has cranked all the FX sends up
<OscarL>
"v2.0", lol
<gordonjcp>
that's what my sister calls him :-)
<gordonjcp>
he's nearly 5, he can nearly but not quite read, and he can drive this old Roland mixer rather better than I can
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<gordonjcp>
ayone using BeAIM at the moment? ;-)
<OscarL>
jikes. KDL while running the python test-suite :-(
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<OscarL>
hoping to to get beta6 with its ramfs fixes soon.