<OscarL>
using both AUTO_DARK or DARK, Web+ shows resulting .html files it in light-mode (looks correctly dark in both cases using Firefox from the host OS).
<OscarL>
erysdren: yeah... alternatives all seemed way overkill for my intended use, and/or required me to download many hundreds of megabyte of stuff. ("doxygen + dot" < 10 MiB)
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<OscarL>
also... can't do much on this anemic netbook... was expecting doxigen to be slower actually (took a bout 7 secs to document "src/bin/pkgman", for reference).
* OscarL
misread LLM as ULM... and the "shit" part still kinda fitted :-D (thinking on overly huge "ULM software")
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<OscarL>
*UML
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<nephele>
OscarL: hi
<nephele>
what's this about dark mode in Web+?
<OscarL>
good day nephele.
<OscarL>
just noticed that some quickly generated doxygen files (with "HTML_COLORSTYLE = AUTO_DARK") show in light mode in Web+, but dark in Firefox.
<nephele>
can you show me the css, to my knowledge this works correctly in WebPositive
<OscarL>
one difference is (no idea if relevant)... I'm opening them via "file://" for Web+, while using an http server to access it with Firefox (from the host OS).
<OscarL>
re: css, just a sec.
<nephele>
if it's rendered "as html" it's fine. file: (no // by the way...) breaks down if the mimetype is set wrong. Though, if it's referencing css it may not find it
<nephele>
we have poorman and python -m http.server both in the default install to serve files via http
<OscarL>
using the latter as server, yes. will first try using that with Web+ before uploading the css
<OscarL>
yeah, that was it.
<OscarL>
works fine via http server.
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<OscarL>
and now using file: shows it in dark, lol. did it cached the .css? :-D
<nekobot>
• threedeyes (f73c03ba): orcaslicer: fix crash on start
<nephele>
i doubt't it
<nephele>
I don't think we have much caching
<OscarL>
nuked the html dir, rebuild it, cleared Web+ history... opening from file: works again in dark. Oh well... at least this solved itself.
<nephele>
well, atleast the css stuff works, so that is good :)
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<OscarL>
yesterday I've tried to use CTRL+0 (from the numpad) to reset zoom level... didn't worked... tried to understand how to fix that from keymap...
<OscarL>
as after a bit it seemed like if CTRL+NUMPAD_0 was generating ctrl+insert regardless of NUMLOCK state, but couldn't make much sense of it.
<OscarL>
only CTRL+0 (0 from the "top row") worked :-/
<nephele>
Why ctrl?
<OscarL>
because I'm one of those heretics using Win/Lin mode.
<nephele>
okay, but that is "just" swapped. It's easier to reason about if you say cmd then ;)
<OscarL>
I rather tell what I see on the keyboard. Only on Haiku I need to make this disctingtion, and I never was able to do that (not even after years of using BeOS as my main OS).
<OscarL>
I should try better, for clarity... but is a PITA.
<nephele>
Sure, but then you are using the mode that remaps keys...
<PulkoMandy>
OscarL: Web+ has a cache in ram that doesn't refresh well, so you may need to restart web+ after changing the css
<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: thanks for the info. I did closed it between tries, so no idea why it works now, and failed several times before I used http: once. Happy it works anyway :-D
<nephele>
Web+ caches some things to disk, but i think only things like favicons, and that is broken anyway...
<OscarL>
holding shift seems to "inverse toggle" the "numlock state" for those keys (the numbers and dot at least), but the other modifiers seem notice the NUMLOCK state.
<OscarL>
using Pe's Preferences->Keybindinds to see what it detects... hitting Cmd+Numpad_8 (with numlock ON) is detected as "Cmd+Up". Only key "5" generates a number, the others never do (regardless of modifier state).
* OscarL
goes back to try to understand a bit more of pkgman code... seems like it might have a better chance there.
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<nephele>
this is probably stuff you should check the input server for...
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<OscarL>
keymap definitions do not seem to have a column for "what to do if numlock is ON". so yeah... should dig into input_server to see what the heck it does with that lock :-D
<nephele>
i don't know if numlock is a seperate modifier
<nephele>
the keymap stuff is way too complex IMO. I don't think userspace apps should ever try to interpret that sutff, and only use the HID keycodes...
<nephele>
(but at the same time, having semantic shortcuts assigned would be great, the OS could see what conflicts then automatically...)
<OscarL>
(half-expecting a big rabbit hole of historical/legacy for why things are this complicated)
<nephele>
"BeOS did it this way"
<nephele>
BeOS never knew the power of the alt-gr key. so now we only half support it ;)
<OscarL>
"I'll just adjust this little shortcut in Terminal" said a naive and happier /me, before crying in desperation upon encounterign the mess of ESC sequences, app mode, and such :-D
<nephele>
yeah uhh. Terminal. is uhh
<nephele>
even older legacy stuff thatn BeOS, it's even worse, it's unix legacy! :P
<nephele>
PulkoMandy: do you still maintain the vim port for Haiku? (i.e are you the person to ask about it)
<PulkoMandy>
I never did maintain it, just a user :)
<nephele>
oh, i thought you did :D
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<nephele>
well, maybe someone else also knows this. How can we make some settings in that port persist? from the gui i can't figure out how to make it use for example a nice color scheme and font size, i have to set it on start everytime. which makes it quite cumbersome to use
<phschafft>
nephele: considering that I recently build a keyboard controler.... I would say that is a huge hole ;)
<nephele>
phschafft: hmm?
<phschafft>
nephele: I think I linked you the picture?
<nephele>
I know you linked me one to a font, but i don't understant what "that is a huge hole" is in reference to
<phschafft>
12:08 < OscarL> (half-expecting a big rabbit hole of historical/legacy for why things are this complicated)
<phschafft>
oh, sorry, confused OscarL and you.
<nephele>
Ah. Well, this was in reference to how haiku does keyboard layouts in programming :)
<nephele>
it's definetely... atleast, not as good as X11 ;)
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<OscarL>
nephele: vim reads "vimrc" from "~/config/settings/vim/vimrc" (I had a vimrc saved elswere, used strace to make sure where it looks for it, as I had since forgotten).
<OscarL>
the "default vimrc" file lives under "/system/data/vim/vim91/defaults.vim"
<nephele>
OscarL: okay. How can this be hooked up the gui?
<OscarL>
hook up how? gVim should read and use the same file, AFAIK. if you need something more complex... you need to find a proper vim user to help you :-D
<OscarL>
I just edited the file, with things likes: "set termguicolors" | "set bg=dark" | colorscheme something-you-like
<nephele>
the gui options for colors and stuff don't tell me how it's supposed to look inside the config file to persist, and i'm not interested in learning config files specific to one tool
<nephele>
(unless i develop the tool)
<OscarL>
no clue, sorry. only tried vim while messing around YouCompleteMe, and trying other LSP plugins in the past. but could never get used enough to it (never even made it far into "vimtutor" either :-D)
<OscarL>
at least I can (sometimes) remember :q! now!
<OscarL>
nephele: in gvim's menu: Edit->Settings window. You can hit "Enter" in each cathegory, say... "4 displaying text", or "10 GUI" and it shows things like "guifont" and the proper "set gfn=" to use.
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* OscarL
hit enter in that one, and now got some confusing buffer layout he doesn't undersands... hits ":q!" repeatedly and moves on.
<nephele>
I'm cleaning a pc on the side
<nephele>
it had performance problems in windows and nobody knew why.... but looking at all this dust, i think i know why
<nekobot>
• threedeyes (d21e40d2): superslicer: specify a boost version
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<nephele>
i wonder how often people are hindered by CMS... the idea that "old booting" is better is something i see on the forums sometimes. My experience has been that turning CMS *off* improves my compatibility a lot in places
<nephele>
two boards already where with CMS on and booting via efi i get 1024x768 or something, but turning it off I get 4k up to 140hz
<nephele>
with efi framebuffer
<nephele>
oh noes, this has a amf FX processor xD
<nephele>
let's see if i will be hit aswell...
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<nephele>
oh hey, it froze :D
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<OscarL>
I think that people recomend CSM On mainly for NOT using efi boot, but BIOS mode. Some early EFI hardware is really picky, and using BIOS boot is more straight forward.
<nephele>
could be. but at the same time efi here worked worse because CSM was enabled, i've not seen "try disabeling CSM" as advice in forums yet
<OscarL>
Also... VESA driver allowing to change res on the fly (and in my limited experience, BIOS/VESA mode offers more resolutions than EFI).
<nephele>
seems Habbie also has a machine (or two) still suffering from this
<OscarL>
(might not matter much if using internal screen on laptop, but with external monitors/desktop PCs... using VESA can be better to just a better experience)
<nephele>
OscarL: vesa offers me like 1024x768, while EFI *only* offers me up to 4k
<OscarL>
newer stuff... better stay away of CSM, as if it seems to be as broken as early EFI on older hardware :-D
<nephele>
hmm disabeling smp helps the ticket sais. If i disable smp do i still get the 4 physical cores?
<nephele>
i.e is this only about hyperthreading?
<OscarL>
will only get one core.
<OscarL>
it is SMP, not SMT, afaik.
<nephele>
don't we have a debug option to disable hyperthreading?
<OscarL>
haven't seen one.
<nephele>
i know for example OpenBSD never supports it, so it will show only 4 cores for this cpu
<nephele>
maybe that is one reason why it does not occur for OpenBSD
<OscarL>
on some machines, you can disable it in BIOS (same as VT-x/d extensions)
<nephele>
pah. Switching computers because of a constantly crashing GPU, now i get a crashing CPU instead
<nephele>
>:(
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<nephele>
OscarL: i can check that
<nephele>
Now the EFI firmware freezes
<nephele>
Maybe I project an electric field that breaks computers
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<nephele>
no option there OscarL
<nephele>
oh well
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<OscarL>
I had an Athlon Thunderbird what would reset itself each time I tried to close the side panel :-D
<nephele>
now to see if this configuration in linux does still hang or do wierd things
<nephele>
if not i can keep it like this i think
<OscarL>
AFAIR, those FX processors had "CMT" not Hyperthreading, so lack of option there sounds about right.
<nephele>
what's the difference?
<OscarL>
AMD got sued for advertizing 2x cores when they were more like "1.5"
* phschafft
got highlighted. not sure what to do he switches to cookie dispenser mode.
<nephele>
On a different topic, I wonder if something like a GUI DSL for something like minetest already exists
<phschafft>
if you have seen it you can't unsee it!
<Begasus[m]>
Hola peeps
<OscarL>
aloha Begasus[m].
<Begasus[m]>
oi OscarL ! what's up
<OscarL>
not much... trying to read pkgman code, but getting distracted as usual :-)
<Begasus[m]>
;)
<OscarL>
and I think it is clear I'll need to dig again on PackageKit, now, to see if I can implement some of my wishlist items... this will take looong if I keep this crappy fucus :-D
<OscarL>
*focus.
<Begasus[m]>
typos won't help either I guess :P
<OscarL>
yeah, and worsening eyesight ain't helping either, lol.
<OscarL>
font size only go up that much. :-P
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<Begasus[m]>
got the glaces on also, but so far still good enough to read with the defaults
<OscarL>
ah... /me remembers using 8pt fonts, 1024x768, on 14" CRT... (might explain the crappy vision now :-P)
<Begasus[m]>
12pt on 1900*1080
<Begasus[m]>
KDE documentation will be dropped on next framework update (if I'm not pleased with the way it's installing/working)
* OscarL
curses again the pkgman bash-completion script, that prevents autocompletion of local paths for some commands.
<Begasus[m]>
smack it (or rather fix it)? ;)
<OscarL>
I should, but will end sidetracked yet again... and have to re-learn the little of it I knew last time I fixed it, heh.
<OscarL>
(added a ToDo item at least)
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<OscarL>
welp, seems I won't be able to do what I want without modifying code under "src/kit/package/". Will make testing a bit of a pain in the rear. :-(
<OscarL>
(at least it seems what I want is feasible with only a few lines changes here and there)
<Begasus[m]>
closing down here
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps
<nephele>
why would it make testing hard OscarL?
<OscarL>
because I need to use a modified libbe, and not just a modified pkgman (and I'm not sure if "nightlies libbe" can be used over my current beta5).
<OscarL>
will have to use/install custom haiku.hpkg, and that will make things slower on this poor celeron :-)
<nephele>
/boot/system/lib/libpackage.so
<nephele>
probably this lib, no?
<nephele>
not libbe?
<nephele>
you should be able to "just" LD_PRELOAD it, or use LIBRARY_PATH
<OscarL>
could be, sure. I haven't made mods to package kit itself yet, so I'm a quite the noob there. if that works. great! thanks nephele.
<nephele>
for reference: i "just" ran pkgman and used listimage in another window to inspect what it loaded
<OscarL>
makes sense, and I tend to use listimage and stuff... guess I'm too deep in the weeds to see the big picture :-) (my mental stack is pretty shallow :-D)
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<OscarL>
not sure why I thought package kit was in libbe.so, given that it's non-BeOS. Oh well... jam-ming a quick libpackage mod now, before doing the proper changes I want.
<OscarL>
(darn CPU already throttling, heh)
<nephele>
:)
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<OscarL>
welp... needs libbe.so anyway (otherwise I get missing symbols). good news... "LD_PRELOAD"ING both .so worked, and shows my quick mod is present.
<OscarL>
will make testing way less annoying. thanks again nephele.
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<nephele>
i think libbe.so should work usually to test on betas even if your code is nightly, aslong as you can use the same libroot.so
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* OscarL
gets flashbacks of updating libc on older linux and having to reinstall :-P
<nephele>
oof :/
<nephele>
yes libc on linux is not nice
<nephele>
for us, what's important, is that libroot has the syscall stubs... :)
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<FreeFull>
The only time when I've had linux break in a way that wasn't my fault, it was ubuntu's fault
<nephele>
Systems beeing build in a way that is easy to break doesn't qualify as a user fault to me ;)
<nephele>
But ubuntu... hmm, i guess Xorg server broken after an update? that was a thing i recall beeing talked about
<FreeFull>
After one ubuntu update, somehow kdm and gdm were both trying to run at the same time, resulting in a black screen
<FreeFull>
This was pre-systemd
<FreeFull>
And I've had another ubuntu update break other stuff, but I don't remember what broke any more
<FreeFull>
As far as stuff that was my own fault, one time I accidentally erased the partition table for my main disk, and had to recreate it
<FreeFull>
And another time I somehow ended up deleting the package manager's database
<nephele>
I deleted the first sector on my disk... but Haiku and the Firmware did not care, they used the backup superblock as intended
<nephele>
the only one who said "gpt, lol what gpt" was the debian installer
<OscarL>
(manually recreating MBR tables with Ranish Partition Manager... oh, the old days!)
<FreeFull>
The partition thing was with MBR, I'm not sure how you'd do it with GPT
<FreeFull>
I was still booted into linux, with said partitions mounted, so it was possible to extract the relevant data from that
<nephele>
restore it, or break it?
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<FreeFull>
Restore it
<nephele>
that's mostly automatic
<nephele>
for Haiku you can apparently "just" rename a partition and it will resotre it ;)
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<FreeFull>
Even when it's an fdisk oopsie?
<FreeFull>
( Because that's what messed up my partition table, I fdisked the wrong device )
<nephele>
if you overwrote the entire partition table no, but if it's only the start then yes
<FreeFull>
It was the whole table
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<OscarL>
holy cow! I somehow got it, LOL! Can install local packages via pkgman without touching the network, patch < 20 lines.
<OscarL>
now I need to decide how to name the option... -R (for no-refresh), -N (for no-network), or -L (for local-only)?
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<nephele>
why should this be an option?
<OscarL>
because it drives me insane that it refresh the repo cache when I'm installing locally build packages.
<OscarL>
and that's when it works ok...
<OscarL>
instead of hanging because network doesn't responds, for example.
<nephele>
yes, but, the default option should be to not always refresh
<OscarL>
defaults to refresh, of course.
<OscarL>
errhhh currently, I mean.
<OscarL>
in any case, should be easy to change one way or the other now :-)
* OscarL
does a little happy dance.
<OscarL>
I think I've tried to do this on at least 3 previous occasions... always getting lost on trying to figure out how to do it, heh. Man... is stupidly simple (now that I see it).
<OscarL>
submited patch for review/discussion.
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<nephele>
OscarL: seems ok so far. I think we should get a more comprehenvie fix too though, pkgman should cache the result for longer, i.e atleast a couple hours. and we should make sure that in a known no-network sitatuion (no network interfaces are ready) the requests fail immidiently and it proceeds anyway
<nephele>
and a third task might be, to figure out for install, before refreshing the repos, that the files are local. and then only refresh if they have dependencies that can't be satisfied locally
<OscarL>
Right. On my todo I have that "do not refresh if given package is local". Being able to just stop it from refreshing was both a pre-condition for that, and also a "good enough" interim solution :-D
<OscarL>
agreed on the "don't refresh the cache before x amount of time".
<nephele>
maybe we should make a ticket :)
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<OscarL>
being able to easily query "is network really usable" sounds both very good (not just for this case), and very out of my league :-)
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<nephele>
i think it would be more a "is the network maybe useable?"
<OscarL>
I'm just as happy as a dog with two tails by being able to just alias this thing :-D
<nephele>
for the whole "does it really work" case you get these kind of nasty situations where you contact foreign sevrers
<nephele>
but we should be able to tell apps atleast "yeah i've got an ip adress or something"
<OscarL>
with some way of marking certain interfaces as "local only" perhaps? (case I'm thinking... host-only networks on VMs)
<nephele>
the thing is, there is no way to properly determine this from the inside
<nephele>
we could probably keep track of requests that suceeded in the past or something
<OscarL>
yeah, was thinking in the user being able to mark it as such, even if in a setting file.
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<nephele>
we have a review for captive portals atleast
<nephele>
man, i want to use this apple touchpad on Haiku, i guess i should work on the bluetooth stack
<OscarL>
was looking for ways to turn a phone into a bluetooth HID a few days ago... (theorically possible with some versions of Android, IIRC). Still would require quite a bit of work on Haiku's side, given the state our bluetooth stack. (and again way out of my league)
<nephele>
OscarL: turn a phone into a bluetooth HID input device?
<OscarL>
right.
<nephele>
turning it into a IP HID device might be easier
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<nephele>
OscarL: for the android part right
<nephele>
it seems like KDE connect already can do this
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<OscarL>
porting the server part of "WifiMouse" also on the ToDo.
<nephele>
so maybe the server part could be ported to Haiku?
<nephele>
I mean turning it into a bluetooth HID device requires ownership of the bluetooth stack
<nephele>
but over IP can work even over bluetooth
<nephele>
I would like better integration with phones to Haiku... last times i talked with people in the linux-on-phone space at fosdem i got only long faces or the classical "you can use ssh"...
<OscarL>
:-/
<OscarL>
love me some ssh, but why not make things more usable, if possible.
<nephele>
ssh is great if you have any clue of how the remote works
<nephele>
but what i want is shit like identify yourself over USB, and not like "Nexus 5" but the actual make of the device, what OS you run etc
<nephele>
let me backup data, let me flash stuff, etc
<nephele>
Should be able to get an expereince that is atleast as good as finder on mac for an eggphone if possible
<nephele>
but that requires colaboration, and that OS images for example are neatly installable
<nephele>
(and for postmarketOS might mean to not ship 12 images for every device ffs. Just give me one image. If it's needed to package the gui, let me install it in a second step while talking to the booted device or something)
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<Habbie>
14:55Z <nephele> seems Habbie also has a machine (or two) still suffering from this
<Habbie>
from what? i did not read everything and my best guess is only 60% quality
<nephele>
AMD processors
<Habbie>
oh!
<Habbie>
my guess was 0% quality
<Habbie>
i thought it was about VBE resolutions from BIOS
<nephele>
I have a FX 8350 now, it seems
<nephele>
my other device will go on to become a server, i'm not putting another GPU in that stupid PC
<Habbie>
but yes, i have a literal stack of AMD machines that semi-randomly reboot on Haiku with multiple CPU cores enabled
<nephele>
so got an bit older board from a relative
<Habbie>
graphics work fine on those though
<Habbie>
ok i see the FX note now
<Habbie>
mine are GX i think, but doesn't matter
<Habbie>
i use EFI on those, which was the rest of the conversation, but unrelated ;)
<nephele>
If that bug is fixed this machine should be dandy
<nephele>
does the disable PAE option really fix the hangs?
<nephele>
if so i could use it like that for now
<Habbie>
no
<Habbie>
wait
<Habbie>
they're not hangs. they're reboots.
<Habbie>
and nothing fixes them except going single cpu core
<nephele>
the ticket mentions at the start Hangs *and* reboots
<nephele>
and that disabeling PAE fixes it
<Habbie>
yeah
<nephele>
but maybe that is older info
<Habbie>
that's not the reality i experience
<Habbie>
there might be multiple issues, of course
<Habbie>
if disabling PAE helped i would totally do that, i don't even have that much memory in them
<nephele>
I've tested this a bit before, and it hanged once in Haiku when trying to build haiku
<nephele>
but so far on linux i've not observed any problems
<Habbie>
yeah same, these boxes are rock solid on linux
<nephele>
(where my other board would often hang, or do fucking insane shit with my graphics=
<nephele>
I've had enough of random UI elements turning teal
<nephele>
only on linux though...
<Habbie>
hehe
<nephele>
so now i have another computer, and another gpu
<nephele>
only the SSD is the same
<nephele>
not exactly the same performance, i guess to be expected with older PCI-express than the card has, but whatever
<nephele>
no crashes or hangs or wierd glitches is more important to me
<nephele>
but hey, the old board will become my webkit build server, if i can set that up :3
<Habbie>
nice
<Habbie>
email
<nephele>
hmm?
<Habbie>
caused by one nzimmermann :)
<Habbie>
ok, so you have hang indeed. that's interesting
<nephele>
I think i finished my IO patches for my luanti gamemode, yay
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<nephele>
any git packager around?
<nephele>
how can we make the thing this command does default: "git config --global --replace-all core.pager 'less -+FX'"
<nephele>
It makes scrolling git diff with the mouse wheel work in terminal
<nephele>
or git log
<nephele>
anything where it uses a pager i guess
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<OscarL>
"PAGER=most" can do that too (I use most as pager for man, as it auto-colors things nicely)
<OscarL>
"most" not installed by default, though.
* OscarL
looks up git's .recipe... sees "DEFAULT_HELP_FORMAT=web", and remembers why he had to force that back to "man" in global config.
<nephele>
uhh, sure. but that just then "fixes" it by not actually having the wrong flags git specifies
<nephele>
what's the problem with html help? (apart from no dark mode....)
<OscarL>
nephele: seems that the recipe is already adding a custom setting on the global config ("[core] untrackedCache = true"), so I guess adding one more setting should be easy enough.
<OscarL>
I don't like using --help and having to not only leave the Terminal I'm in... but to wait for a slow program to start.
<nephele>
Web+ is slow? :(
<OscarL>
on my hardware.... yes, same as all modern browsers, sadly.
<nephele>
but fwiw, i don't understand why the availability of html help would make the manpages unavailable
<nephele>
what about links2 or netsurf?
<nephele>
for local stuff Webpositive for my launches pretty much instantly
<nephele>
I take it not for you, or is that a problem when it is already launched only?
<OscarL>
by default on clean installs... you install git.. and "git commit --help" will open the help in Web+. not at all what I expect as defautl.
<nephele>
ugh gnome web has dark mode support, but the transition page is white and blinds me
<nephele>
Why not...?
<nephele>
all our other documentation is html
<OscarL>
because I'm in a termianl program, and it showing the man page is what it does in every other os I've tried.
<nephele>
having to open a terminal to view help is not really user friendly
<nephele>
but we kinda need some better tooling still... :)
<OscarL>
what?
<nephele>
could you make your question more specific?
<OscarL>
I'm not asking to get rid of the html help included on the package...
<OscarL>
just complaining about it being the default for --help.
<nephele>
I don't see why
<nephele>
if you want man pages, you can use man directly
<nephele>
man git-diff does the same as git help diff does
<nephele>
(if you had man as a default)
<OscarL>
"<nephele> having to open a terminal to view help is not really user friendly" <<< my what? was about this, because it is not at all what I'm saying.
<OscarL>
I'm already on a terminal. don't make me leave it.
<nephele>
use man?
<OscarL>
has nothing to do with the ability to open the html verions if you want.
<nephele>
I can understand this beeing annoying if git wouldn't ship man pages because it generated html instead
<nephele>
but there is a somewhat, annoying, but possible fix for this
<nephele>
a man to html trasnlator....
<OscarL>
I *am* using man, after reverting the change in default behavior.
<nephele>
then all man pages are available
<nephele>
I don't understand why you'd prefer a git-specific invocation for help pages when you want to use man, and man has a standard invocation for everything :)
<OscarL>
man2html is what I remember using in the days of SuSE 5.1
<OscarL>
it had even a cgi mode.
<nephele>
git uses some kind of automated tooling to arrive at the html pages
<nephele>
but they are kinda shoddy...
<nephele>
too much styling for a white page with text on it
<OscarL>
nephele: in any case... regarding the "less -+FX" thing, guess we could add it on the next git update.
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<OscarL>
to answer an earlier question... the first start up of Web+ slow enough as to be disruptive, even on my fastest hardware (RIP Phenom, sniff). Don't mind waiting a bit for it if I intend to use a browser, annoying when I just wanted some "--help".
<nephele>
Hmm. Okay. that is a bit concerning
<OscarL>
even more annoying when I was on HDD, of course, but still not ideal for a "help-viewer" on this sata ssd.
<nephele>
Does Netsurf launch quickly?
<OscarL>
don't have it installed anymore (not much use for it), but yes.
<OscarL>
"links -g" also fast :-P
<nephele>
links -g has display gamma calibration
<nephele>
best browser
<nephele>
but not really css supporting, so that is not that nice
<OscarL>
there was a (WIP?) port of litehtml, IIRC, but no idea how usable that ever was.
<nephele>
I've seen it used
<nephele>
but in any case, should investigate that problem. I mean, if all else fails can take a page out of the windows book and preload webkits libarary for you ;)
<OscarL>
I remember preloading Firefox back in the day... and newer versions of it now annoy me asking me if I want to start it at OS boot time :-D
<nephele>
every time i start "a" firefox it goes "oh my god it has been a A LONG Time, since you laucnhed firefox, surely there is junk! you wanna make a new profile??"
<OscarL>
BeZilla was so slow to start on my Athlon... that I used to have ramdrive for it, lol.
<OscarL>
nephele: yeah... that too :-/
<nephele>
it's only a long time because i don't use firefox if i can help it...