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<nekobot> [haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/cf18a760e134...d6687f4519ab
<nekobot> • kallisti5 (d6687f45): Revert "buildmaster: Reconnect on exception"…
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<kallisti5[m]> shutting down buildmaster for a hot second to apply a minor patch
<kallisti5[m]> it'll be fine (tm)
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<kallisti5[m]> waddlesplash ok, the production buildmaster should have that patch included. Hopefully nothing is broken 😅
<waddlesplash> nice!
<waddlesplash> thnx
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<kallisti5[m]> ooooooh shit it's working. https://build.haiku-os.org/buildmaster-new/master/riscv64/
<kallisti5[m]> 3 complete. 2 failed, only 6728 to go 😆
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<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
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<Begasus[m]> looks like 64bit buildmaster is still stuck on python
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<roiredX> good day
<Begasus[m]> hi there roiredX !
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<Begasus[m]> long time no see :)
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<roiredX> hahaha Begasus[m], yes... blackout was a source of break
<roiredX> 3 pc broke
<Begasus[m]> jikes, that's a bummer, setup back on par?
<roiredX> no, not summer, Spain's more than 24h blackout, whole country
<roiredX> a couple of months ago
<roiredX> now mostly recovered
<roiredX> B-)
* Begasus[m] puzzeld, blackout?
<Begasus[m]> time for the doggies, biab :)
<roiredX> bye
<roiredX> take good care of them huskies
<Begasus[m]> will do :) cu!
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<Begasus[m]> round 1 done :)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3caf2fb68399...956fca97c540
<nekobot> • Begasus (956fca97): cmake, add RC 4.1.0-rc1, 64bit for testing (#12529)
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<Begasus[m]> ow lol .... [] Loading GTK 4.16.12
<Begasus[m]> that's not the idea :P
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/956fca97c540...1480a53574d1
<nekobot> • jsteinaker (1480a535): nicotineplus: initial commit (#12475)…
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<Begasus> missing qmllint6 in qt6_declarative package (bin)
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<nephele> good day
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Begasus> hello
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<kallisti5[m]> https://build.haiku-os.org/buildmaster-new/master/riscv64/?buildrunDir=&viewMode=expanded if you want to watch us build "everything" for riscv64
<kallisti5[m]> I think we finally have the remaining lingering buildmaster bugs squashed
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<Begasus> back on par kallisti5[m]? earlier this morning it was still running iirc :)
<kallisti5[m]> Was I? I lose track lol
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<Begasus> lol
<mmu_man> hmm I consistently get checksum error on the haiku package on upgrade here
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<nephele> mmu_man: with a cached download? if not this is probably problems with the object storage again
<Begasus> better :) Warning: POLICY WARNING: no matching provides "cmd:qmllint6" for "bin/qmllint6" (I hope) :)
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: nah. It's a problem with the cdn cache
<Begasus> mmu_man, happens once in a while
<kallisti5[m]> the repo file gets out of alignment with the latest package set because our caching cdn gets out of alignment.... it's pretty bad
<Begasus> doesn't happen on beta5 afaik :P
<kallisti5[m]> because beta5 never updates 😆
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: sounds like a not-so-usefull cache
<Begasus> because it's good! :P lol
<nephele> Though, i don't understand what the purpose of a caching cdn even is in the first place...
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: yeah... it's not. I haven't seen the issue for a while... but maybe people just got used to it (which is bad tbh)
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: money
<nephele> Ugh. Can we instead get that minisign thing ready so we can just host our own mirrors? .-.
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: we're moving to a dedicated s3 server which will solve this
<Begasus> Some optional dependencies were not found: QmlLint
<Begasus> stupid thing ....
<kallisti5[m]> but, I needed haikubuildmaster to work reliably on s3 before we did
<kallisti5[m]> ... which is true as of last night
<Begasus> ~> qmllint6 --version
<Begasus> qmllint 6.9.1
<Begasus> that works :P
<kallisti5[m]> mmu_man: https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/issues/141 explains the cdn thing. But honestly, if we're still getting checksum errors I need to disable it
<nephele> kallisti5[m]: isn't s3 yet another amazon server?
<mmu_man> removed the transaction folders, let's see
<kallisti5[m]> no. aws made s3, but everyone implements the protocol now
<kallisti5[m]> so, currently we're on Backblaze s3... however at our scale it only made sense to cache the artifacts with a cdn to save costs
<nephele> so what is it really? I only know this as a marketing name?
<mmu_man> kallisti5[m]: OK so it got downloaded 100% with the bad checksum so it tried to reuse it.
<mmu_man> Working now
<mmu_man> Maybe when we get this error we should actually try downloading again
<kallisti5[m]> nice! ok. I haven't messed with it so weird clearing your cache solved it
<kallisti5[m]> yeah...
<kallisti5[m]> open a ticket with details? I think you're right
<kallisti5[m]> nephele: anyway, so my solution is we run our own dedicated server offering s3 at scale
<kallisti5[m]> it's cheap at scale, and offers unlimited egress
<kallisti5[m]> then, we rely on mirrors more once package signing is in place
<kallisti5[m]> https://build.haiku-os.org/buildmaster-new/master/riscv64/?buildrunDir=&viewMode=expanded is actively pushing riscv64 artifacts to the new s3 server
<kallisti5[m]> (it's why I've been testing it so much lately... wanted to build confidence before I move "all the things" over to it 😆)
<mmu_man> kallisti5[m]: looks like https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19369
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1480a53574d1...2f75251efa14
<nekobot> • cmeerw (2f75251e): Update xmake to 3.0.0 (#12530)
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<bjorkintosh> “We have to reinvent the wheel every once in a while, not because we need a lot of wheels; but because we need a lot of inventors.”― Bruce Joyce
<bjorkintosh> for all you re-implementers, some inspiration.
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2f75251efa14...8b8b51ae6202
<nekobot> • Begasus (8b8b51ae): p11_kit, bump to 0.25.5 (#12523)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8b8b51ae6202...433b185137ca
<nekobot> • Begasus (433b1851): gnutls, bump to 3.8.9 (#12524)
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<Begasus[m]> ninja patch seems to be included/upstreamed :)
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<tetrislife> Would having torrents for packages (with support for it in Haiku) help, and be usable?
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<nipos> I also had that idea some time ago.I guess it could work really good.Since hpkgs stay on the system once installed,users could (optionally,of course) keep seeding their installed packages.On the other hand,implementing such a system and integrating it with good UI/UX may be quite a lot of work.But when it's done,it could basically scale to billions of Haiku users without having to worry about server bandwidth
<nipos> ever again.
<nephele> What do torrents help if nobody seeds them? and if it's just servers seeding you are better off not using torrent...
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<nipos> Why do you think nobody would seed?I'd be absolutely happy to do so,and other users may,too
<nephele> I think the requirement is unreasonable for desktop computers
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<nipos> nephele: I have a question about the LayoutKit...
<nipos> I'm currently trying to switch SerialConnect to LayoutKit to solve the scrollbar size issue,but how do I automatically remove the bottom right corner from the scroll bar size without manually changing its size?
<nipos> The only other application I found which uses such a layout is Terminal,but its code seems very complicated and big.
<nephele> you want to remove the knob?
<nipos> No,I want to make the scroll bar so much smaller that the down arrow isn't hidden behind it
<nephele> the layout kit should do that automatically... hmm, have you looked at stylededit? other than that i'd have to look at what you are working on...
<nipos> StyledEdit has both a vertical and a horizontal scrollbar,SerialConnect only a vertical one
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<zelectric> Are there any plans to port Tor to Haiku?
<nipos> nephele: That's the modified SerialWindow.cpp file
<nipos> zelectric: Tor has been available on Haiku for years.
<zelectric> nipos, seriously? well where have *I* been. >_<
<zelectric> is there a way to roll up a Tor Haiku LiveCD?
<nipos> Maybe there is,but what's the point in this?You can easily install it from the repo
<zelectric> nipos, thanks! Oh, I just thought about making something like the Tails distro but with Haiku
<nipos> That won't make sense right now,since most of the system applications don't support using Tor anyway.
<zelectric> nipos, thanks! :)
<Begasus[m]> grabbing qt6_declarative-6.9.1-2-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/qt6_declarative-6.9.1-2-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus[m]> Still good with cmake-4.1.0-rc and ninja-1.13.0 :)
<nipos> You can install and run Tor,you can make WebPositive use it using a command line option (the graphical proxy settings are broken currently),most Qt and GTK apps will probably also use Tor just fine,but pkgman,HaikuDepot,Vision,mail_daemon,etc. most likely won't
<zelectric> nipos, hey thanks for the advice in such great detail! I wasn't expecting it! :D
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<nipos> I'm also a big fan of Tor and route my whole traffic through it (as far as it's possible),so I know what to expect with Haiku and Tor :)
<zelectric> cool! :)
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<phschafft> poetry in onion land.
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Coldfirex> Anyone else getting "Failed to download package haiku: Bad data" when running Software Updater or pkgman?
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<Begasus[m]> Coldfirex , mmu_man did earlier, so I guess there will be others
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 4 commits to master [hrev58937] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=83aa27ada625+%5Eeb8651d4921a
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 4cf1bb8619cc - netinet/in.h: Cleanup.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f9a86ebeab0c - network: Add net_error_data parameter to error_received.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d31febdefa0a - ICMP: Pass FRAGMENTATION_NEEDED and REDIRECT info up the stack.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 83aa27ada625 - netinet/in.h: Add IP_DONTFRAG socket option, and implement for IPv4.
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/433b185137ca...8e38c8f308e3
<nekobot> • Begasus (8e38c8f3): ninja, bump to 1.13.0 (#12531)
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<Begasus[m]> closing down, cu peeps
<Coldfirex> ok thanks
<nekobot> [haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8e38c8f308e3...ceec2d09ed05
<nekobot> • humdingerb (ceec2d09): yt-dlp: update to 2025.06.25
<Anarchos> wow seems a lot of work on the net part of haiku those days !
<waddlesplash> I decided to try and implement Path MTU Discovery and found it wasn't so hard in the end
<waddlesplash> those commits are most of the basis for it
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<dodo75> Software update fails on nighly build.
<dodo75> haiku-r1~beta5_hrev58936-1-x86_64.hpkg...done.
<dodo75> Checksum error:
<dodo75> *** expected '47fa260fa303569ed6c5880e8c89c4c78c6d7b45c2d8cc5ce0a55846178262c3'
<dodo75> *** got 'f3aedeea8118b530a01c7a197c8e831a0e959bf822b3e8952d7798b94fbd231e'
<Coldfirex> Nice, that should help in some situations
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<Anarchos> waddlesplash nice ! so it will replace the MTU=1500 by default ?
<waddlesplash> right now it only detects downward
<waddlesplash> so this will only be relevant if the path MTU is less than 1500, right now
<waddlesplash> eventually I'll probably implement enough for us to reactivate jumbo frames and then it will be more important
<Anarchos> waddlesplash your skills always impress me
<waddlesplash> :)
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<gregork> Is there a requirement for app to be published in Haiku depot, to provide source code?
<Anarchos> gregork not at all, you can publish it everywhere you want.
<Anarchos> gregork HaikuDepot is just our centralized repo.
<gregork> But that means trojans can get through
<Anarchos> gregork i am not sure there is an antivirus on Haikudepot though
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<waddlesplash> there are few bits of closed-source software in HaikuDepot, but not much, and we control those carefully. stuff like WiFi firmwares mostly
<waddlesplash> you can't publish any random binary, in general it has to be built from source
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<kallisti5[m]> also, I scan our package repos for malware
<kallisti5[m]> *haiku malware
<kallisti5[m]> https://codeberg.org/kallisti5/witch-hunt does the thing pretty well
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<kallisti5[m]> ok. Who's ready for me to break building haikuports? 🥳
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<kallisti5[m]> Halting haikuports builds
<kallisti5[m]> omg there's a lot to change all at once 😆
<Habbie> good luck
<Habbie> oh witch-hunt is in Rust, nice
<Habbie> and you built hpkg-rs too
<Habbie> does rustlings work correctly on Haiku for you? (in case you tried)
<Habbie> and what do you use for editing Rust? I got the impression Genio doesn't know how to LSP for Rust
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<kallisti5[m]> yeah. It breaks apart the chunks in the hpkg and scans them with yara rules
<Habbie> yeah, i read the readme
<kallisti5[m]> it's kinda cool. It needs to be improved more though
<Habbie> i don't immediately see where you get the rules
<Habbie> the logo is cool btw
<kallisti5[m]> I made them. secret sauce 🤫
<Habbie> understood :)
<kallisti5[m]> about to flip repos over to new server. 😬
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<Habbie> nice
<Habbie> i'll pester you with my other questions when you're not busy
<Habbie> good luck
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<kallisti5[m]> haiku repo up. Found a minor issue on haikuports. working to resolve
<Habbie> nice
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<kallisti5[m]> haikuports up but degraded slightly until I finish up a rsync from the old repo to new.
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