<nekobot>
• threedeyes (40ebd04d): iceweasel_esr: bump version
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<HaikuUser>
yo, currently running haiku on a vm, it doesnt have any KVM acceleration so im a little shocked its still usuable. gonna try install this thing on my laptop tomorrow, i have no clue how well supported it is driver wise but hey ho
<Begasus[m]>
TurBoss there is a solution mentioned in the ticket for our problem :)
<TurBoss>
good morning
<TurBoss>
checking
<TurBoss>
Begasus: cant figure the fix from the ticket 😐️
<Begasus[m]>
create a "arch" directory in: /Opslag/wip/mixxx-2.5.3/src/arch (mind the path)
<Begasus[m]>
create a symlink "1" in there pointing to /boot/system/develop/headers/posix/arch/x86_64
<TurBoss>
😲
<TurBoss>
trying
<Begasus[m]>
time for the dogs, biab
<TurBoss>
🙂
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<scuffy>
oh dear is this thing on
<scuffy>
seems like it, uh hi im trying to get haiku running on an old 2006 imac
<Begasus[m]>
just this, you'll hit a few errors with d_type, search haikuports for that, there are patches in that regard
<scuffy>
for me?
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<scuffy>
the issue with the imac is that the cpu is 64-bit but the bootloader is 32 bit, or something akin to that
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<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: good morning.
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<OscarL>
I don't think madmax was trying to point out to any workaround, but just the root cause of the issue... that "-Dx86_64" in the compile line, that interferes with what HaikuConfig.h defines.
<OscarL>
s/defines/expects/ (for that "x86_64")
<Begasus[m]>
Hi OscarL !
<OscarL>
instead of messing around with symlinks... I would attempt to make the build system to NOT add -Dx86_64 on Haiku.
<Begasus[m]>
and how do we find out where it gets the info from?
<OscarL>
point me to the repo for the project in question, and I'll try to find it.
<OscarL>
was hoping to see it near one of the "target_compile_definitions()" in the CMakeList.txt file (as that -D__WV__ appears to be added with that), no luck so far :-(
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: yes. as the compiler line you posted on the ticket ended with: " -D__WV__ -Dx86_64", I've tried to see how/where that __DW__ was added, hoping the x86_64 might possibly be added similarly. not the case it seems :-(
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<Begasus[m]>
OscarL got a json file containing (created during build) https://bpa.st/DRYLC
<OscarL>
"MOC_DEFINITIONS" :-/
<Begasus[m]>
well, during configure time more likely
<OscarL>
no matches on mixxx repo. No idea if that could be from cmake stuff (for Qt), or from some Qt stuff directly (Qt using moc, and all)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: might not be a bad idea to attach that json file to the ticket, to give at least a clue from where that value might come
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<Begasus[m]>
added
<Begasus[m]>
woot! got sound :D
<Begasus[m]>
My screen isn't big enough for this :P
<OscarL>
regarding that arch/i/ thing... hopefully madmax will get bored/intrigued enough as to try to solve that puzzle. (he do seems to enjoy a good mistery :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
so still might be a good idea then to add ms-gsl to the depot
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: regarding your last comment on the ticket (when you added the json file). I would remove the "related to: target_compile_definitions(mixxx-lib PUBLIC WV)" part, as the interesting bit is really that the json file already contains the x86_64 define.
<OscarL>
(the thing about __WV__ was just how I approached a first search, and not related to this, really)
<Begasus[m]>
can I?
<OscarL>
ah, that was not a regular comment, but the "Description of the file (optional):" when adding the attachment?
<Begasus[m]>
yep :)
<Begasus[m]>
added message :P
<OscarL>
mmm, seems 3dEyes forgot about the cmm:pip3 thingie while updating the recipes for iceweasel and co.
<OscarL>
s/cmm:/cmd:/
<phschafft>
good morning.
<OscarL>
o/
<Begasus[m]>
moin phschafft
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL push the change? buildmaster got disconnected or something, so it's not available yet :)
<OscarL>
the changes he made yesterday/today to iceweasel, librewolf, do not include such change.
<OscarL>
I did not understand what you meant by "OscarL push the change?" :-D (bit of broken telephone, :-D)
<OscarL>
perhaps you were suggesting me to go ahead and do the change myself?
<Begasus[m]>
right :) (thought that was clear) :P
<OscarL>
(Narrator: things are never clear in BiPolar's Land) :-P
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<OscarL>
not gonna risk breaking his build pushing the change without testing (I can't have *both* korli and 3dEyes wanting to kill me :-D). Albeit... I might just break it anyway when I drop the pip recipe anyway :-P
<OscarL>
Was reading about yt-dlp... seems it might endup needing a new *big* dependency in the not so distant future... https://github.com/denoland/deno (/me wishes good luck with that to humdinger)
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
that's indeed not a small one
<Begasus[m]>
+900 crates :P
<OscarL>
then was reading about an interesting project (proper peer to peer old.reddit.com simil)... only to find out it is written in nodejs and has a bazillion npm packages as dependencies (even for the cli version... the gui one uses electron, FFS)
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<OscarL>
I rather go back to web-rings (hint hint for erysdren)
<Begasus[m]>
too bad on the last one though, more people are interested in having electron
<OscarL>
I still can't believe that some app for writting isos to a pendrive got not only written in electron, but somehow became almost the default recomendation people gives. (/me checks...yep... 191 MB installer size for that one).
<Begasus[m]>
which one is that?
<OscarL>
"balena etcher".
<Begasus[m]>
haven't used the one I have on Windows for some time now (forgot the name)
<TurBoss>
hello! yo is back
<TurBoss>
saw you guys did it
<Begasus[m]>
ah right, got that one installed OscarL :)
<swiftbanana[m]>
@OscarL and in linux you can just use cp ah ah
<phschafft>
hm.
* phschafft
thinks comparing package sizes is often an unfair way, the real world install costs (size) most often differ significantly from those raw numbers.
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<OscarL>
seems that being able to break software builds in Haiku by using "-Dx86_64" (and similar for other architectures) has been possible since at least 2009
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<erysdren>
morning OscarL
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<bjorkint0sh>
breaking things is always easy.
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<OscarL>
'lo erysdren :-)
<OscarL>
bjorkint0sh: and sometimes you even get paid to break them! (/me worked on QA :-P)
<bjorkint0sh>
oh cool.
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<Begasus[m]>
re
<erysdren>
OscarL: i only have i think two webrings on my site at the moment
<OscarL>
now we need to just convince more people to use them too. moar rings!!!
<erysdren>
yes!!!
<swiftbanana[m]>
What is a webring?
<Molniya>
i should write a webring
<Molniya>
a webring is, initially, a site that lists other websites, and inserts those websites into a position on a linked list which usually loops
<swiftbanana[m]>
Ooooh
<Molniya>
my understanding is that list is usually doubly linked
<bjorkint0sh>
is? do webrings still exist?
<Molniya>
bjorkint0sh: yes, is
<Molniya>
none of the ones you grew up with still exist, but many have been created in a revival
<bjorkint0sh>
is old funky web coming back?
<erysdren>
has been for a while i think
<bjorkint0sh>
will uncle rich have a geocities??
<erysdren>
if you know where to look
<bjorkint0sh>
i'm AI blinded.
<erysdren>
:P
<OscarL>
(human-curated web directories could use a come back too)
<Molniya>
geocities has gone for good, but its name has been slightly permuted by a collective calling themselves neocities
<erysdren>
neocities is cool, my wife has a space there.
<erysdren>
there are plenty more.
<gordonjcp>
I used to have an account on angelfire
<gordonjcp>
it still exists, but I don't know the password and the email address is long gone
<phschafft>
the times when you could just find some place to host your personal webpage. and they came with a collection of animated new and under-construction gifs.
* Begasus[m]
feels old now ...
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: I wonder how hard it would be to create something like the old geocities page editor
<phschafft>
it has been done before. ;)
<phschafft>
but I think the biggest problem for such a project is that the legal situation is way different today.
<gordonjcp>
every time I use stuff like facebook or newpaper sites it's quite jarring how unpleasant web pages are now
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<phschafft>
I mean there are very bad examples. never even anvigated to facebook myself. so maybe they are one of them.
<phschafft>
but I also think that pages of the 90s had a good deal of problems.
<Molniya>
they did
<Hanicef[m]>
I would say that the 90s web pages had it's set of problems, but modern web pages has it's own set of problems the 90s didn't
<phschafft>
and I must say that every page that has a <font>-tag is no closer to solving the problem than any that requires javascript.
<phschafft>
Hanicef[m]: exactly.
<phschafft>
we move and move, but we don't get closer to a solution.
<phschafft>
and I think this also happens because we have not shared definition of what a solution should look like.
<erysdren>
check out my gopherspace tho :3 gopher://erysdren.me
<phschafft>
erysdren: haha!
<Hanicef[m]>
phschafft: Well, it's a set of problems, so you have to look at em one by one
<phschafft>
nice twist. and yes, I had in my mind: someone will bring up gopher and how that magically /solves/ all the problems (mostly by completly ignoring their existance ;)
<OscarL>
for me the main problem is that we changed from *actively* consuming content (after hunting for it) all over the net, to being spoon fed by just a couple of "chain stores"
<Hanicef[m]>
Some even already have a solution but nobody uses em (accessibility tags like nav is an example)
<phschafft>
Hanicef[m]: I would think that grouping them could help, as some are closely related. but yes. it's not a single thing.
<phschafft>
Hanicef[m]: ;)
<erysdren>
my HTTPS site is also pretty solid. no javascript!
<erysdren>
just blogging about tech stuff, digging up history lessons about Quake and the Utah Teapot, etc...
<erysdren>
i like my site. i've been enjoying posting on there more than i have enjoyed posting on social media, maybe ever
<phschafft>
:)
<phschafft>
I'm considering to run a blog for years. but maybe I'm just not the type of person for it.
<Hanicef[m]>
I should convert my website to a blog, too, since it's kinda abandoned at this point
<phschafft>
I would enjoy to have a way to post some articles on random topics. but less in a news style as most blogs are designed.
<phschafft>
erysdren: e.g. our discussion on magic numbers. I wanted to write about it for *years*.
<Hanicef[m]>
An archive format would work great for that
<phschafft>
like 'a painless guide to CRC^Wmagic numbers'
<erysdren>
i've been trying to change my website into more of a "digital garden" which is a fun paradigm i read about a while back.
<erysdren>
instead of a vertical, chronological stream of posts, format the website more like a wiki or database that is not organized by date. instead, by subject
<erysdren>
with your posts in there.
<erysdren>
i like that idea
<Hanicef[m]>
I'm leaning more and more into gemini becuase of all the bs going on on the web, despite it's limitations
<Hanicef[m]>
Otoh, the limitations also makes some uses of it a challenge, which could be fun, too
<erysdren>
aye
<erysdren>
gemini is neat
<phschafft>
erysdren: yes. that is basically my idea as well. would very much want to reuse my gamebook software (in full or parts) for that.
<Hanicef[m]>
I should consider making a gemini client for haiku
<erysdren>
good idea!
<Hanicef[m]>
Should be a pretty simple task
<erysdren>
make it support gopher too <3
<phschafft>
what erysdren said ;)
<erysdren>
i've been meaning to also write a site generator for my pages that generates a gemini site
<erysdren>
currently i use Zola to generate a static HTML site
<phschafft>
Hanicef[m]: I once tried to make a simple gopher client. I must say, it's not that simple. ;)
<phschafft>
not if you want it to be good and user friendly.
<Hanicef[m]>
I will take it step-by-step when implementing it, but a simple search bar at the top and some text in the body should be a start, then work from there
<phschafft>
fun stuff like the final-dot in gopher...
<Hanicef[m]>
And that is why i will start with gemini :)
<gordonjcp>
erysdren: interesting idea (digital garden)
* phschafft
just looked up the gemini specification /again/. and found /again/ that they.. did not fix any but one of the errors in gopher ;)
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<phschafft>
(don't want to make it sound all bad, just that it doesn't get closer to my personal understanding of a solution than e.g. HTTP)
<gordonjcp>
erysdren: thanks
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: I don't really see what's wrong with http
<gordonjcp>
or why it needs "fixed"
<gordonjcp>
I feel like talking about how HTTP is "broken" and needs "fixed" and then coming up with proposals for protocols that don't really offer any improvement on what we already have, is probably easier than just writing non-shit websites
<phschafft>
gordonjcp: I think that resonates a bit with my statement from a few years back when I said that the best HTTP implementations (read: cloest to the specs) are non-browsers.
<phschafft>
and that it's an interesting world if browsers have massively fallen behind as HTTP clients.
<phschafft>
I think that HTTP as every real thing comes with it's own problems. but the majority of problems the web has are not in that specific part.
<phschafft>
so, yes ;)
<phschafft>
with all that, time for me to leave. see you later!
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: tschuss
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<Begasus[m]>
hmm ... this could be the cause? else if (mixxxDir.cd(QStringLiteral("../share/mixxx"))) {
<Begasus[m]>
clean build ...
<christech>
question - trying to work on pilot-link still.. how do I define the headers if what it's looking for is somewhere else?
<christech>
for example it's looking for /net/if.h
<christech>
I see one one posix/netinet/
<Begasus[m]>
there are a few issue and on commit that mention this christech (at haikuports)
<christech>
I'm totally new at this, trying to learn
<Begasus[m]>
/boot/system/develop/headers/posix/net/if.h is present here
<Begasus[m]>
part of haiku_devel, so that should be installed by default I guess
<christech>
do I need to specify the path from the headers dir to posix/net ?
<Begasus[m]>
not sure, I think it should be available in $PATH?
<christech>
ok. no worries, i'm going to play around with it. thanks.
<Begasus[m]>
otherwise try to add it to cflags or the likes? :)
<Begasus[m]>
np
<Begasus[m]>
not a dev here, so wild guesses anyway :D
<christech>
yeah, will try but thanks
<christech>
it builds without the conduit files, but I think there are some network features when conduits are enabled
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<HaikuUser>
hey guys, i've installed haiku few hours ago, i've had audio working but after a reboot its no longer working, any idea what to do? i've already tried restarting the media server, my audio controller is built-in AMD one, vendor 0x1022 id 0x15e3
<Begasus[m]>
that's one for the main devs HaikuUser , nothing changed between reboots?
<Begasus[m]>
arghh ... still not launching when packaged :(
<HaikuUser>
nope rebooted like 3 times already and installed opensound thinking it'd solve anything, i've read it would only do its thing if user is running haiku i386 but i'm running x86_64
<HaikuUser>
machine is a HP EliteDesk 705 G4
<HaikuUser>
running hrev57937+129
<Begasus[m]>
no idea really, you could ask at the forum, maybe someone can get back to you sooner on that
<Begasus[m]>
dev's are not always around here (timezone*)
<HaikuUser>
will make sure to do so, after doing "hey media_server quit" 3 times it started to recognize my HDMI audio but i only use the integrated speakers so i'll continue playing media_server restarting roulette
<Begasus[m]>
lol, when launched from bin :P (Deskbar symlink doesn't work)
<HaikuUser>
after restarting media_server like 10 times audio finally works
<HaikuUser>
i expect it to not work again after i reboot but at least i can work around it with this for now
<HaikuUser>
thanks
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<christech>
crashy crash
<christech>
ooh I got further
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<Halian>
o/
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<Anarchos>
hello
<scanty>
hi there Anarchos, how's that driver coming along?
<Anarchos>
scanty which driver ?
<scanty>
didn't know there was more than one... the one i know about is the accelerometer.
<Anarchos>
scanty it is on pause, cause i am reinstalling all my computers (i put my files everywhere it was a mess to follow which repo is up to date)
<scanty>
yikes! well, good luck with that :-)
<Anarchos>
scanty but habbie helped me to understand the values , and the accel driver should be ok now
<scanty>
ah, good to hear
<Habbie>
it was mostly realising that Z is not supposed to be zero :)
<Anarchos>
Habbie and that the Z range is not centered on 0 too
<Anarchos>
Habbie and that my ACCE device is not Accton® but ADXL356 !
<Habbie>
right :)
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<nekobot>
• kallisti5 (dacabf10): glslang: Update to 16.0.0 (will be needed by mesa)…
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<christech>
I think it compiled
<christech>
woohoo
<erysdren>
w00t
<erysdren>
what are ya compiling?
<christech>
pilot-link
<christech>
I see there might be USB issues though
<erysdren>
aye
<christech>
I had trouble compiling until I set the LDFLAGS
<christech>
good learning experience
<erysdren>
nice!
<christech>
I've always just compiled stuff on linux .. not a lot of work it's all ready to go for the most part.. just making sure you have the dependancies
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<phschafft>
At this point it is later than it was yesterday at the same time.
<phschafft>
Good evening.
<Habbie>
phschafft, "here is a photo of when i was younger" "but every photo is of when you was younger"
<bjorkint0sh>
hahah
<phschafft>
Habbie: let's hope so!
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<christech>
lol
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<erysdren>
evening phschafft
<phschafft>
good evening erysdren.
* phschafft
offers a cookie.
* erysdren
noms cookie
<phschafft>
:)
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<nagerst>
Howdy friends
<erysdren>
hi
<nagerst>
Sathurday huh.... =D
<phschafft>
it is friday.
<nagerst>
phschafft: What?
<erysdren>
it's friday here in USA, though i think phschafft is in germany?
<erysdren>
i thought it was saturday in germany by now.
<nagerst>
you almost gave my old hard a turn there
<nagerst>
jeez
<nagerst>
I am currently in Sweden so same time zone west of the tornio river.
<phschafft>
erysdren: I'm in Germany.
<nagerst>
I met a person that lives on the middle of the river in an island. Imagine his smartwatch freaking out each time he moves.
<erysdren>
lol
<nagerst>
gmt+1 vs gmt+2
<phschafft>
nagerst: so he is off by about half a second to the rest of the world?
<nagerst>
tornio river is rather large though, and he is not stupid, he just sets it to finnish time
<nagerst>
No the tilt makes the satelites change unless you set it to fixed.
<nagerst>
so if you are in that island you get a message "wellcome to sweden" by telia or other operators) and then from sonera (same company) every time you cross the "what the masts thinks is the border" not what is the actual border. His phone has more wellcome to sweden and wellcome to finland sms than anyone in the world =D
<nagerst>
it is the same network since telia bought sonera.
<erysdren>
i got similar messages on my phone when standing on the shore of Lake Erie, across from Canada
<nagerst>
hehe
<nagerst>
yeah
<erysdren>
Verizon really thought i was in Canada all of the sun
<erysdren>
sudden*
<phschafft>
my phone has a yellow cable.
<nagerst>
well, at least we are not dutch, poor suckers afaik still pay to recieve sms and not to send them
<erysdren>
damn
<nagerst>
Begasus[m]: My friend, do the dutch still pay to recieve sms?
<nagerst>
nah he is asleep
<nagerst>
It is rediculous though.
<nagerst>
if the cost to send is nothing, then it would be abused, and it was.. very much so during the NMT era GSM put an end to that in most areas. Was rather cool though to send free text all over the NMT world for free. But the problem was that you needed a battery the size of a shopping cart, they costed 1095 dollars for the cheapest one (in 1980's money unconverted)