<B2IA>
(AGMS) Butler message for whitepakerkat Congrats on firing up a new BeShare server! Now all you need is a bot to remember chat history and provide other utility functions.
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) butler message for whitepaperkat The Atrus bot source code is in the BeShare 3.04 .zip archive along with BeShare source. I'm using a modified one here, running in Linux. Also see https://github.com/agmsmith/BeShare for source
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Butler message for whitepaperkat Also we're using an older Muscle server for better compatibility and compilability.
<B2IA>
(whitepaperkat) what was the source code for the bot again
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<B2IA>
(whitepaperkat) the bot should be set now i think
<B2IA>
(whitepaperkat) well i only changed the motd for now
<B2IA>
(whitepaperkat) help
<B2IA>
(whitepaperkat) is this a bot too
<whitepaperkat[m]>
This might be somewhat bad for security but you know it'd be cool as a bot that would automatically download shared files and save them for a little bit for those people who can't stay online all the time
<whitepaperkat[m]>
Or a beshare bot that you have to register an account on and you can send commands to tell it what you want it to store for you and for how long
<glassnerves>
some of your guys use Haiku on notebooks with battery?
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<whitepaperkat[m]>
I think it was like a little while ago and the reason why I took it off is because it didn't have the drivers for my Wi-Fi card at the time
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<glassnerves>
hmm, thanks
<whitepaperkat[m]>
np
<whitepaperkat[m]>
😀
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<glassnerves>
noob question here, haiku is using glibc?
<nipos>
Haiku has its own C library where some functions are imported from glibc,but others from musl and freebsd.I think the goel is to use as less glibc as possible without breaking binary compatibility
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<glassnerves>
ahh, I see
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<glassnerves>
the name made me confused
<glassnerves>
so, it a good frankstein?
<nipos>
Yes,but it works really good.
<glassnerves>
yeah
<nipos>
On everyday use,you shouldn't notice that its C library is different and not fully glibc
<glassnerves>
but the name make some folks confused, there a plan to change the name?
<nipos>
Where do you see the name?Is it a package?
<glassnerves>
Nah, I'm just lurking and compiling the source code here and noticed, nothing more
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<glassnerves>
C++ is not my thing, but Haiku is so cool so maybe I will try to contritube with some thing
<nipos>
If it's compiling a file with glibc in the path,that's likely one that really comes from glibc
<glassnerves>
nice @nipos, I will check
<glassnerves>
thanks
<nipos>
No problem :)
<glassnerves>
I just a noob and curious guy
<nipos>
C++ was also not my thing when I came to Haiku a few years ago.I was a web developer and never worked with real applications
<glassnerves>
Wow, what a change
<nipos>
Haiku makes it easy to get into C++ development.There are many bugs open that are trivial to fix that you can use to get started.I've already landed a few commits in the Haiku source and maintain a messenger application for Haiku.
<nipos>
I'm still no C++ expert,but I can do a few things and it seems to work
<glassnerves>
That very nice and friendly, this makes me excited to help =)
<glassnerves>
Your testimony encouraged me :D
<nipos>
Haiku always needs some helping hands :)
<glassnerves>
what the app that your maintain for Haiku?
<erysdren>
i have a few old videogame sourceports under my wing
<glassnerves>
Nice, I will install and try to use
<glassnerves>
I recently created a small project and ported it for Haiku, it's already in the ports, it was a good experience.
<nipos>
Which project is it?
<glassnerves>
Tocaia
<erysdren>
ooo fancy
<glassnerves>
its shitty, but was made with love
<glassnerves>
hahha
<erysdren>
i love Gopher
<erysdren>
i used to host a gopherspace but forgot to maintain it
<glassnerves>
me too
<nipos>
Nice app :)
<glassnerves>
oh, thanks
<nipos>
If you want to learn working with Haiku APIs/libraries and all,maybe you can try making it a native GUI app
<erysdren>
the BeAPI is the best GUI interface i've ever used
<erysdren>
and i don't even like C++
<erysdren>
lol
<glassnerves>
yeah, I learning about that right now @nipos
<nipos>
That's true,the BeAPI is great.And much easier than I thought before I worked with it.
<glassnerves>
QT apps is cool, but... native apps need more love
<nipos>
Yeah,native apps are what makes Haiku unique
<glassnerves>
One friend mine said that Haiku was turned into a bizarre system infested with Linux aplications
<nipos>
Classic Qt apps at least look almost native and integrate rather good,but that newer KDE stuff and especially GTK apps look really awful and don't integrate at all.I mean,still not as awful as Electron,but I still avoid them if I can.
<Begasus[m]>
g'morning peeps
<glassnerves>
KDE stuff are very heavy
<Begasus[m]>
they are? don't notice any real lag on KDE "stuff" :)
<nipos>
Yes,and they also have those overly big touch buttons now.I hate it.It's a computer,not a phone.You can't just make one UI for both.Well,you can,but it hurts.
<Begasus[m]>
bit toutch buttons? (aside from kiriama apps most of them seem pretty default)
<nipos>
glassnerves: Make sure to check out Genio when developing on Haiku.It's a native IDE,and it's great.
<glassnerves>
@Begasys[m], I run Haiku on several machines, some very weak and some more powerful, so I compare performance.
<glassnerves>
Thanks nipos, I will try
<nipos>
Begasus: Yeah,I meant the Kiriama apps
<Begasus[m]>
well, you'll see performance dropping for any kind of software, GTK also (wouldn't run those full GTK browser on older hardware too)
<glassnerves>
True
<Begasus[m]>
nipos some of those kirigami apps are meant to be used on phone/desktop, so it's not supprising there :)
<glassnerves>
It's just that I'm too autistic, so I keep testing things with these machines.
<erysdren>
yeah, me too
<glassnerves>
I dont like VMs
<nipos>
Begasus: I know,but I don't like it.That mixing of desktop and mobile apps ruined the UI on both.
<Begasus[m]>
well, they are there for those that are interested in them (and makes fun in tryting them out), GTK4/Gnome ones look even worse (imho)
<glassnerves>
no ofense, but GNOME folks are crazy
<nipos>
I totally agree.GTK is absolutely awful and I try to avoid it wherever I can.
<Begasus[m]>
I'm already converted to KDE, doesn't mean I can't play around with it though :)
<erysdren>
do KDE apps on Haiku use a special theme or do they use BeAPI widgets?
<erysdren>
if a theme, i'd be curious to pull that theme over to my Linux computer on KDE Plasma :3
<nipos>
The only GTK app I have installed is LibreWolf,because I need a working browser with an Adblocker.But I'd rather not use it if QtWebKit was stil maintained (Otter Browser was really nice in the past)
<Begasus[m]>
having uptodate KDE apps on Haiku puts us on the map there too :)
<Begasus[m]>
erysdren (@_oftc_erysdren:matrix.org) KDE/Qt use the haikuplugin for Qt
<glassnerves>
Gnome people live on a fantasy land where Linux desktops turned into Tablets
<nipos>
Yes.Not sure how one can actually use that to work productively.
<Begasus[m]>
PS, at the dogschool today, so I could drop out nox and then :)
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<glassnerves>
The KDE ecosystem on Haiku is really some to admire.
<Begasus[m]>
One of those apps not in the depot :)
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<OscarL>
morning folks.
<erysdren>
hi OscarL
<erysdren>
nice to see you
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<OscarL>
hey there erysdren! same! :-)
<Begasus[m]>
Hola OscarL !
<OscarL>
had fun reading some of your old ".plan files", erysdren :-)
<Begasus[m]>
how is health OscarL , feeling better?
<OscarL>
Hey Begasus[m]! Everything well on dogschool today?
<Begasus[m]>
still early, crowd getting in atm :-)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: some things better, some things still odd. I sleep like a bear, almost all day, and have been having some killer headaches :-(. Other than that... "good". Thanks for asking!
<OscarL>
glassnerves: you're "manipuladordedados" over Github?
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<erysdren>
thanks OscarL, i really enjoyed writing them, helps keep me sane
<OscarL>
and years later they helped me keeping focus out of some nasty migraines... not a bad record!
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<glassnerves>
OscarL: Yes, I am
<glassnerves>
why?
<OscarL>
glassnerves: just nice to see folks from Brazil again :-). In the past... we had plenty of users and devs from there.
<OscarL>
Greetings from the middle of nowhere, in Argentina, BTW :-)
<glassnerves>
That's great, I hope more Brazilian devs appear, good to know that you're almost my neighbor, hahaha.
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<swiftbanana[m]>
Greetings, folks
<swiftbanana[m]>
I see a lot of hate here on Gnome =’) but even as a KDE day to day user and enjoyer I cannot deny the work they do on HMI and accessibilty, and sometime I feel like their apps are more straight to the point and enjoyable than the KDE equivalent =)
<swiftbanana[m]>
(Also touchscreen laptops can be awesome <3)
<OscarL>
I think "the H word" gets thrown in way too fast, when using "dislike" would be much more accurate (and less inflamatory).
<Begasus[m]>
+ :)
<OscarL>
As most things in life... one man's garbage can be someone else's treasure.
<swiftbanana[m]>
Ah, sorry if that felt like an overstatement
<OscarL>
Expecting any OS (or DE, or GUI toolkit, or programming language, heck... even a simple text editor) to fully satisfy 100% of the user base is unrealistic.
<swiftbanana[m]>
Couldn’t aggre more
<swiftbanana[m]>
To both of you
<Begasus[m]>
as long as adwaita (iirc) isn't involved it isn't that bad also for GTK (xournalpp for gtk4 is the same for gtk3)
<OscarL>
swiftbanana[m]: sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't meant you used it too fast... more like... we all tend to be too fast to write "I just hate this".
<Begasus[m]>
but as it is with most things, it's a personal taste :)
<OscarL>
when we (most of the time) just mean "I just dislike this".
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<swiftbanana[m]>
Yeah you´re right
<OscarL>
that being said.... client side decorations give me the ick :-P
<swiftbanana[m]>
Ah ah, I do not mind them but I do understand why you would x)
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<OscarL>
to be fair, I'm not 100% consistent in my choices/tastes... I don't mind an app like clasic Winamp/XMMS/CL-Amp doing "its own thing" with its windows, but otherwise... apps that breaks the "window manager conventions" get a -1 from me.
<OscarL>
in any case.... many of those apps using CSD (specially the ones for/from Gnome), do not care at all about being run outside of Gnome so... why should they care, right?
<B2IA>
(glassnerves) test 123
<erysdren>
recieving
<OscarL>
reading you loud and clear glassnerves (over the BeShare bridge).
<B2IA>
(glassnerves) hahaha,I am here to download the videos from whitepaperkat
<phschafft>
erysdren: I got some analog multiplexers and switches, so I can play with them a bit and then maybe build a audio interface for the brotkasten-1
<swiftbanana[m]>
Wait wait wait wait wait
<swiftbanana[m]>
Build an audio interface? =D
<phschafft>
hm?
<swiftbanana[m]>
No sorry, you just put two keywords that catched my interest, and now I’m curious ah ah
<phschafft>
hm.
<phschafft>
I'm trying to build this prototype computer, 'brotkasten-1'.
<phschafft>
while this is independent on the software project, they kind of support each other. push each other up, if that makes sense.
<swiftbanana[m]>
Oooh, ok
<phschafft>
and those chips are basically for the mixer part of the audio interface.
<swiftbanana[m]>
Is there a webpage or something like that for this project?
<swiftbanana[m]>
Ok so I searched for "os built around a database that failed" and the first result was BeOS 🥲
<whitepaperkat[m]>
Nah it's okay I was wrong about some other things
<whitepaperkat[m]>
It was actually built around a database and it came out alot earlier
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<phschafft>
hm.
<phschafft>
the wikipedia article for it is... not super specific.
<whitepaperkat[m]>
Indeed
<phschafft>
however I think that while surely I use a lot of concepts that already exist, none of those other projects where as... far from mainstream understanding of an OS.
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<whitepaperkat[m]>
From what I heard another interesting operating system was plan 9
<phschafft>
there is a channel over there.
<phschafft>
but to me personally the community seems to be very cult like and super strongly living in the past.
<whitepaperkat[m]>
There's a lot of people still living in the past
<phschafft>
they also don't seem to implement anything interesting to me (no new concepts).
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I don't blame them though The future just isn't what it's cracked up today
<phschafft>
naturally that is a subjective opinion.
<whitepaperkat[m]>
To be I mean
<whitepaperkat[m]>
And yes that is also true
<phschafft>
I just think that what they do just doesn't help.
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I know I said this before but like always wanted to see an OS that was like inspired off the one in Tron
<whitepaperkat[m]>
Or has like an interface that was like inspired off of that
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I mean I know the whole dex UI project was interesting
<whitepaperkat[m]>
That's just a UI
<phschafft>
when you exit a session in SIRTX you get: END OF LINE.
<phschafft>
that is an interactive session. no outro on non-interactive sessions.
<whitepaperkat[m]>
True
<phschafft>
what specifically do you like about that?
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I kind of like that retro futuristic vibe
<whitepaperkat[m]>
And sort of the look of the on screen touchpad keyboard
<phschafft>
you don't know how hard it is to build a functional desk like that..
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I understand
<whitepaperkat[m]>
It's very hard
<whitepaperkat[m]>
I would build something myself but I don't got the brains for that
<phschafft>
I mean it seems easy, but the details are complicated. OR you need a lot of money.
<phschafft>
I mean with a lot of money you can buy more complete parts.-
<phschafft>
so, time for dinner.
<phschafft>
but happy to discuss this a little more at another time. really looking forward to all input.
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