<erysdren>
i'm not interested in changing to a Wayland desktop environment just to have access to this
<Begasus[m]>
still pretty active there
<erysdren>
yeah
<Begasus[m]>
I'm sticking with Haiku :)
<Begasus[m]>
OK LMMS should be fine now
<x512[m]>
erysdren: My app_server_neo project is planned to have Wayland client mode, so you can show Haiku windows in Linux window manager. Haiku applications can be run using virtual machine with VirtIO Wayland support or HyClone.
<erysdren>
sounds cool
<x512[m]>
But it mean that Linux should be able to run Haiku binaries in some way (virtual machine or HyClone).
<erysdren>
yeah, sounds fun
<erysdren>
i'm just jealous of BeAPI every time i need to write something with a GUI on Linux.
<erysdren>
it surely isn't perfect but every time i've used BeAPI it's been comfortable
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<phschafft>
morgen.
* phschafft
walks by the cookie bowl and refills it.
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<Begasus[m]>
moin phschafft , thanks :)
<phschafft>
:)
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<Habbie>
hooray
<janking>
morning phschafft,Habbie
<phschafft>
What a nice day! *nods to himself to reassure himself*
<Begasus[m]>
ninja -C build (about 3500 targets, OK, ninja -C build install (again about 2500 objects) not OK :P
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
and now I need to run "hp -F *" again for a new library in that package :/
<phschafft>
hp -F * or hp -F \*
<phschafft>
?
<Begasus[m]>
hp -F * :)
<Begasus[m]>
1742 targets ...
<Begasus[m]>
why! everything is already build :P
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<phschafft>
hm.
<erysdren>
hi
<phschafft>
morning erysdren.
<janking>
morning erysdren
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<janking>
"make" is it the same as i porting apps ?
<Habbie>
'make' often is one of the many many steps in porting apps
<janking>
ok thanks
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<nagerst>
new day, new possibilities
<janking>
:)
<nagerst>
i coded a small text editor today as nano was annoying me. What have you been up to?
<erysdren>
wrote a post on my website about the Utah Teapot
<erysdren>
also working on a software rendered game for MS-DOS
<erysdren>
so, basically, same old same old
<janking>
try to andystanding what porting apps means:)
<nagerst>
It is still so amazing that people still target ms-dos whilst long abandoned by microsoft and eDRDOS is available and freeDOS both having vastly supperior everything
<erysdren>
:P
<erysdren>
i test on 86box (with FreeDOS) and DOSBox.
<nagerst>
eDRDOS can even run some 32bit software
<erysdren>
i don't actually care if it's FreeDOS or MS-DOS
<erysdren>
i mean, MS-DOS and FreeDOS both have DPMI for 32-bit apps
<erysdren>
if that's your thing
<Habbie>
janking, porting just means "making an app run in an environment it has not run before"
<janking>
ok thanks
<erysdren>
my software rendered game prototype uses DPMI. either Go32 or DOS/32A
<Begasus[m]>
Hi nagerst !
<phschafft>
hm.
<erysdren>
DOS/4GW should also work
<nagerst>
eDRDOS was made by some german bloke, and got sued hard by devicelogics. the site is no longer up. But the source is available on github
<nagerst>
HI Begasus[m]! I tried talking to you yesterday, but i guess it was too late.
<phschafft>
erysdren: and when do you target the VM I wrote based on your code? ;)
<erysdren>
when my game can compile to less than a dozen 8086 opcodes :P
<Begasus[m]>
yeah nagerst , once past 8PM I'm out :)
<Begasus[m]>
sometimes sooner
<phschafft>
erysdren: I mean I hope that I can at least reach 80286, maybe 80386 compatibility.
<nagerst>
is it possible to emulate via qemu an android phone on haiku? x86 android does not work. I need a specific application "bankid" to work so i dont have to install windows.
<nagerst>
Begasus[m]: yeah you are wese
<nagerst>
wise
<phschafft>
plus some of the limitations could be overcome if we would expose the native system API via some interrupt.
<Begasus[m]>
nagerst got the same here, need to reboot to windows for the bankid (EiD)
<Begasus[m]>
only real thing I need to reboot for
<nagerst>
i just dont want windows at all
<erysdren>
me neither
<janking>
i have bankid on my iphone and that works
<Begasus[m]>
you could install some linux also for that :)
<nagerst>
i know i should not care, but knowing it is there is itchy.. if you know what i mean
<Begasus[m]>
yeah :)
<nagerst>
linux can not run bankid
<nagerst>
not in wine
<nagerst>
not native
<Begasus[m]>
hmm ... I probably have something else in mind then
<nagerst>
nor can it run it in the default android (anbox/waydroid)
<nagerst>
the latter uses android x86 and does not work with bankid
<nagerst>
I either need to get a Windows 11 pc or a "supported" android device or iphone
<nagerst>
i want neither
<janking>
i have bankid on my iphone and that works
<nagerst>
janking: but i dont have a phone. Or actually i do, but i have a duro phone, no screen.
<janking>
ok
<nagerst>
works great, just like in the olden times
<erysdren>
i really wanna ditch my google pixel phone for a so-called "dump phone"
<erysdren>
might be nice.
<nagerst>
als batteries are years, and easily replaceable by regular AA
<nagerst>
Duro makes the best phones for people like me, i do not even have to put on my glasses to read the keypad.
<janking>
:)
<nagerst>
i am not affiliated with them, just makes great stuff
<nagerst>
they also make the large "bankdosa" devices for swedbank in sweden. Effin epic compared to the competition.
<janking>
i have the small one yellow nagerst
<nagerst>
if i go to Nordea, SEB or Handelsbanken i am stuck with that mini device. impossible to read, can not input with large fingers.
<nagerst>
janking: pic?
<nagerst>
mine is larger than a 5341 TI calculator from the 80s
<nagerst>
so i can use it even when i have no glasses on
<nagerst>
janking: When googling i can find no yellow one.
<nagerst>
botoh, google image search has gotten WAY worse.
<nagerst>
2 is impossible to use if you have decently or large sized fingers
<nagerst>
9 is rather ok
<janking>
but i never use it i have all that i need in my iphone
<nagerst>
but as i said, i dont have a smartphone
<erysdren>
i'm not from sweden, i have no idea what this thing is for
<nagerst>
erysdren: it is digitialID
<nagerst>
you can not buy anything online without it in sweden
<Hanicef[m]>
It's for logging in to your back, or, rather, was until bankid took over
<erysdren>
ah, interesting
<Hanicef[m]>
*bank
<Hanicef[m]>
Yeah, those devices sucked
<nagerst>
it is also for ident for taxes, banks, millitary and other such institutions
<Hanicef[m]>
Right
<nagerst>
It still sucks, as you have to have either a windows computer, android phone or an iphone for the app to work.
<nagerst>
the ones like me that just want to use the browser uses this kind of device
<nagerst>
but they are making it harder for each year
<erysdren>
yeah
<Hanicef[m]>
Yeah, but those old devices gave me constant issues and had driver issues that prevented it from working even on systems that was officially supported
<nagerst>
today only windows 11 latest is supported and macos for some strange reason
<erysdren>
i never heard of this before. closest thing we have in USA is just your physical drivers license (or other forms of ID) or even your social security number as a fallback.
<nagerst>
erysdren: You do not have to carry an ID to vote, america is a LOT freer than us. I can not even go shopping for a bunch of pasta without an ID
<erysdren>
in USA you need a voter registration
<erysdren>
and voter registrations expire after like, 1 or 2 years. you essentially need a new one ever major election.
<erysdren>
(iirc)
<nagerst>
sweden has almost aboished cash, so they do not need police to enforce.
<erysdren>
lame. i like physical cash
<nagerst>
erysdren: then you would hate sweden, almost no place except the major supermarkets take cash
<erysdren>
:P
<erysdren>
fair enough
<Hanicef[m]>
I don't even think supermarkets do nowadays
<Hanicef[m]>
I haven't seen it anywhere the last 5 years at least
<erysdren>
i don't use cash for everything, but i am certainly annoyed when i *have* cash and some random place only has a card reader. and you will never convince me to use Apple Pay.
<nagerst>
Hanicef[m]: Depends on what area of sweden.. in happaranda they certainly do, as the finns and norwegians are not as retarded. And we still want their money
<Hanicef[m]>
Makes sense, since i live in gothenburg
<Hanicef[m]>
Not as important here, i would guess
<erysdren>
i don't the USA would ever fully get rid of physical money. the US Dollar has a high religious importance here, i think
<nagerst>
Apple/Google pay is stupid. It is a "let either companies or scammers" rob me level of stupid.
<nagerst>
erysdren: the US can not even get rid of the useless penny that costs more to produce by severalfold than it can buy.
<nagerst>
because it has lincoln on it
<erysdren>
indeed
<erysdren>
pennys suck
<nagerst>
Sollution: Make a 25 dollar bill with lincoln on it. Abolish the penny
<erysdren>
americans are certainly stupid enough. i think that would work
<nagerst>
or just replace hamilton
<nagerst>
four-to-a-hundred would get a new meaning =D
<nagerst>
instead of the slavery connotation
<erysdren>
americans clearly don't care, they are stupid as i said
<nagerst>
erysdren: i do not agree, americans have never been stupid outside of the hippy leaded gasoline poison era. They might be too focused on other things, like religion or LGBTQIAAAP+ to notice that the rest of the world does not want any of it.
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<erysdren>
ok, now you've lost me
<nagerst>
either way it has nothing to do with haiku, whilst lovely to talk to you all, i must leave to do even less productive tasks. (i am old)
<erysdren>
ok
<erysdren>
just saying, there are plenty of transgender people across the entire world. including me. it's not an american thing.
<erysdren>
i don't really care about religion tho, especially not as Americans view it
<phschafft>
what is going on in here?
<erysdren>
i dunno
<erysdren>
just not letting him get away with implying that "the rest of the world doesn't care about LGBT/etc issues"
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<phschafft>
erysdren: he made some very /strange/ comments yesterday as well.
<erysdren>
shrug. seems like part of the deal when hanging out on computing-focused IRC spaces :P
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<nagerst>
erysdren: I did not mean it that way, i ment that most of the world is either in china africa and muslim and thus does not care about those issues
<nagerst>
i am a member of RFSL and supports LGBTQIAAA+ (not the P)
<erysdren>
what is P in this case?
<nagerst>
What do you think?
<erysdren>
i have no idea
<erysdren>
i usually wrote LGBT+
<nagerst>
It surely is not pansexual?
<erysdren>
oh, right
<erysdren>
well, seems to weird to leave them out
<erysdren>
man, i really shouldn't be having this conversation in the haiku channel at 6am
<nagerst>
but the P is the nambla people
<erysdren>
since when is P == nambla?
<erysdren>
i've never heard that association
<nagerst>
PDF-Files
<erysdren>
oh, i can't read apparently
<nagerst>
any abuse against children can not be supported
<erysdren>
of course
<erysdren>
i do not support that.
* phschafft
really thinks nagerst is a troll or needs professional help.
<nagerst>
glad i was able to defend myself, and not be seen as a bigot
<erysdren>
i mean, grouping pedophiles with LGBT people by default is certainly a weird choice.
<erysdren>
in your original msg
<nagerst>
erysdren: yes it is
<erysdren>
anyway.
<nagerst>
but that is the official US version.
* swiftbanana[m]
aggrees with phschafft
<nagerst>
no matter, afk
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<coolcoder613_pc>
whew it's been a while since i've been on IRC
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<erysdren>
hi hi
<erysdren>
missed you coolcoder!
<erysdren>
hows it going?
<coolcoder613_pc>
I'm doing well
<coolcoder613_pc>
I just installed Haiku on my main PC
<coolcoder613_pc>
on a third drive
<coolcoder613_pc>
got sick of waiting for the nvidia drivers
<phschafft>
mau coolcoder613_pc :)
* coolcoder613_pc
waves
<coolcoder613_pc>
well technically i've been using irc pretty much constantly, but in the form of twitch chat
<erysdren>
:P
<coolcoder613_pc>
I think the thing I missed most from IRC in discord was /me... discords /me just puts the message in italic
<phschafft>
erysdren: see! it's semantic vs. syntax again!
<phschafft>
;)
<coolcoder613_pc>
Out of the four computers on my desk, one running BeOS, one has macOS, one has Haiku, and the other's an mp3 player
<erysdren>
you're living the life
<erysdren>
i love it
<coolcoder613_pc>
and i have a 486 laptop on a shelf just to my right...
<coolcoder613_pc>
and by bed above my head
<coolcoder613_pc>
*my bed
<coolcoder613_pc>
on the topic of my bed, I should be heading up there for the night
<erysdren>
aye
<erysdren>
well, i hope you come back around soon
<erysdren>
i always enjoy seeing you around
<coolcoder613_pc>
good night
<erysdren>
night
<phschafft>
nachti! looking forward to have you back more often!
<coolcoder613_pc>
mb i'll fire up quassel client tmrw morning
<coolcoder613_pc>
I'm pretty sure the server for that is still running
<coolcoder613>
and so it is
<erysdren>
nice
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<mbrumbelow>
waddlesplash: Hey, did you finish working on the Bluetooth L2CAP module? I started looking at the Bluetooth code yesterday and saw in a post that you were looking at it.
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<waddlesplash>
mbrumbelow: I merged the big refactor I was working on a while ago yes. There's still more refactoring needed at lower levels of the stack however
<waddlesplash>
I'm not actively working on that though
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<nipos>
Maybe a stupid question,but if I create a Grid with BLayoutBuilder(...).AddGrid() and want to access that Grid in another function using ChildAt(0),to which type should I dynamic_cast that Grid?Both BGridLayout* and BLayoutBuilder::Grid<> make the application crash.
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<janking>
i install hk-HugeClock to day its nice:)
<janking>
just run "make" then its finnich:)
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<scantysnax>
good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night :)
<PulkoMandy>
nipos: Layouts are not children, you can use view->GetLayout() instead (and cast to BGridLayout*)
<nipos>
Thank you very much,that info probably brings me further.I'm not trying to get the Layout of the view itself,however,but a child layout.
<nipos>
It's a BGroupLayout with a BGridLayout inside it,and I need that BGridLayout
<scantysnax>
any devs around, i have a bug to report./
<bjorkintosh>
scantysnax: scanty syntax?
<scantysnax>
(new BAlert(0, "scanty", "snax"))->Go(); // good
<scantysnax>
(new BAlert(0, "scanty", "snax"))->Show() // bad
<scantysnax>
Show(); (sorry)]
<scantysnax>
Show() works because apparently BAlert inherits from BWindow.
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<dodo75>
Any Genio IDE devs here?
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<PulkoMandy>
nipos: have you considered using GetLayout() in your layoutbuilder calls?
<nipos>
No,haven't tried that but that could work.I'll keep that in mind for the next try.Thanks again.
<scantysnax>
any takes with my BAlert issue?
<scantysnax>
takers*
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<scantysnax>
ok, packing up for home. will try to report bug again later.
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<coolcoder613>
Goood morning
<phschafft>
morning
<ADS_Sr>
Hello all. Are the Haiku, Inc. email addresses no longer any good? I just tried to send an email using the format prescribed on the contact page, but I got an "address not found" email in return.
<ADS_Sr>
What do you mean "made up"? It literally says "For private matters that require confidentiality, the following address may be used: contact ( a ) haiku-inc ( . ) org"
<Habbie>
and is that the address you emailed?
<ADS_Sr>
And the contact part was literally found in an email on the Haiku, Inc mailing list
<Habbie>
ok. let's cut this short. what address is not found?
<whitepaperkat>
the mailing list still works i think
<ADS_Sr>
Of course I used "@haiku-inc.org" as the last part
<whitepaperkat>
i just subbed
<ADS_Sr>
I tried to email Axel Dörfler at axeld@haiku-inc.org
<ADS_Sr>
I also just subbed
<Habbie>
ok. but none of those urls show that address