<OscarL>
AMD E-450 APU (2 cores at 1.65 GHz), with 3.5 GB of RAM
<Begasus[m]>
at least a stable one atm?
<OscarL>
Odd machine, because if "feels" really snappy... but once you ask it to actually do compile/builds... it shows how slow it is :-D
<OscarL>
Begasus[m], so far, so good. even WiFi works, no crashes that unless it was my fault (for undervolting it too much :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
got the same on the other laptop, it's good, but slow, hence for harder builds I use the VM on this one for 32bit
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
k, nice, the boost packages are done on 32bit too :)
<OscarL>
do the reports work yet? /me goes to check
<Begasus[m]>
nope
<OscarL>
bummer.
<Begasus[m]>
still stuck at yt-*
<Begasus[m]>
yeah ... I think kallisti5 (@kallisti5:matrix.org) didn't get around to it yet
<OscarL>
was counting on them working to notice any possible breakage once I start pushing my python changes.
<Begasus[m]>
same here, one of those tabs I always keep at hand
<OscarL>
(got 37 already done, but need to double check at least half of it before I start pushing)
<Begasus[m]>
checked those also for the "any" arch changes? ;)
<OscarL>
not particularly, besides finding one that is any but shouldn't, and one that isn't but should :-D
<Begasus[m]>
might want to create one PR to give jmairboeck a chance to have a look at it, done the same :)
<OscarL>
Sure. Still need to decide if I'll do one big PR, or find a way to split it in a way that makes sense.
<Begasus[m]>
bugger, should clean my qt work dirs again, almost 50GB ...
<OscarL>
I'll have separate commits per recipe, anyways, in case I need to do an emergency revert, or something like that :-D
<Begasus[m]>
;)
<Begasus[m]>
ps, thanks again for that list_workdirs etc :)
<OscarL>
woot, my "big" Data partitions are 40 GB :-D
<OscarL>
Begasus[m] glad you find it useful!
<Begasus[m]>
live-saver :D
<Begasus[m]>
just can't clean out the KDE sources (not part of haikuports repo) :P
<OscarL>
bit of a heads up regarding my future PR... while I'll do my best to double-check the changes, I won't be testing more than a few builds locally. But plan to monitor builders closely, and work right away in whatever breaks there.
<Begasus[m]>
+1 fwiw, I've done the same for the boost ones :) you don't want to build those on a slow machine :P
<OscarL>
(kind of like when we do the occasional "mass updates", but in a smaller scale this time)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m], also, due to bandwidth constrains. (not knowing upfront the size of tarballs + dependencies in many cases)
<Begasus[m]>
sure, if you need help in any case just give a yell :)
<OscarL>
will do, thank you!
<Begasus[m]>
nice, almost 60GB cleaned up :)
<OscarL>
another reason why I want to do some big clean up before we switch to a newer Python....
<OscarL>
I'd like to see if we can finally use "_python3.10" suffixes instead of those uggly 310, 311, 312, etc.
<Begasus[m]>
I guess Haiku can still stay on 3.10 for beta6?
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<OscarL>
Begasus[m], bloddy hell, good thing you have good internet :-D
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Begasus[m]>
well, you know how big pycharm is about :)
<Begasus[m]>
if you count download/work-dir/package ... over 2GB
<Begasus[m]>
still have the sources for qtwebengine around ...
<Begasus[m]>
although that is for 6.9.0
<Begasus[m]>
afk for a bit :)
<OscarL>
re: beta6 and python... I guess. We have till 2026-10 before it gets EOL-ed.
<Begasus[m]>
would be a good thing to start planning for the successor then?
<OscarL>
yup, part of why I wanted to have everthing only one version.
<PulkoMandy>
I would just pick the latest available version, what is it now? 3.13? 3.14?
<OscarL>
(*only on one)
<PulkoMandy>
Or, of course, wait for the next one as long as possible :)
<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: 3.13.
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<OscarL>
3.14 gets released on October. I like 3.14... but jumping onto it might not be prudent.
<OscarL>
(given that the ecosystem will take its sweet time to update)
<Begasus[m]>
3.13 would go a long way, so maybe that would be the best to keep in mind
<Begasus[m]>
anyway, time for doggies biab
<OscarL>
3.12 dropped distutils... so I guess we'll end up with a bunch of old recipes that we'll need to either patch, drop or hopefully just update (assuming upstream is still alive :-D)
<OscarL>
(one of the reasons I'd like to avoid having to deal with multiple python versions per package in that transition period)
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<OscarL>
Had to edit a keymap dump to properly remove PrnScr (seems the "remove" option from the Keymap preflet only removed the first column)
<OscarL>
finally no more CPU usage stuck at 100% just because I tried to select some text, LOL (darn keyboard adapter :-D)
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: I'm expecting a shitshow over distutils from the rolling release distros ;-)
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<OscarL>
Well, 3.12 is already "mature" by Python standards, I assume distros using it had already suffered that transition period.
<OscarL>
but I don't really use Linux much anymore so... not really up to date there.
<OscarL>
main issue might be with older packages... the one that Debian usually endup maintaining patches because upstream has died long ago :-D
<OscarL>
*the ones
<OscarL>
but may also help so "shed out" some stuff that is not really in use anymore.
<Begasus[m]>
so many choices :P
<Begasus[m]>
switched colors, better now :)
<OscarL>
speaking of not used anymore... wonder where I left my "print list of python packages sorted by per-recipe usage" script? :-/
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: it's one of the reasons I switched from Arch to Ubuntu ;-)
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: they dropped support for 2 entirely when 3 came out, basically immediately
<gordonjcp>
no real thought for "yeah there's a lot of stuff that doesn't work"
<gordonjcp>
and the attitude from the Arch devs was "lol don't use obsolete stuff then, if it doesn't work in 3 just don't use it"
<OscarL>
"great, just let me invest a couple of millon dollars into porting this stuff real quick then"
<Begasus[m]>
well, we "try" to give notice on the forum (or here) before dropping older packages :)
<OscarL>
heck, we dropped support for python2 AFTER Debian :-D
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: ganz genau
<gordonjcp>
OscarL: Oh yeah sure I'll just update the *WHOLE OF FUCKING DJANGO* then
<Begasus[m]>
it was announced long before the drop :) same with 3.8
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: should prolly do a quick post before October then (for 3.9) :-D
<Begasus[m]>
wasn't that done somewhere yet OscarL ?
<Begasus[m]>
at least cleaning up has started already some time ago :P
<OscarL>
yeah... I was planing to do one, but kept forgetting about it (plus network and hardware issues...)
<OscarL>
At least made a comment about it on the Ren'Py thread now :-D
<OscarL>
yeah... I was "a bit suspicious" when I read that it pip installed for you :-)
<Begasus[m]>
all that noise for nothing :P
<OscarL>
(specially given the cython requirement listed by OP)
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<Begasus[m]>
if nothing else we vented a bit on how and when to use "pip" :)
<OscarL>
well, not exactly for nothing... if we'll end up considering a move to 3.13, maybe we can skip adding 3.12 support for this and its dependencies.
<OscarL>
otherwise it is yet another group of things to consider when making the move.
<OscarL>
(which is my main point)
<Begasus[m]>
grabbing the source, will give it a go in Terminal later
<Begasus[m]>
and then it starts ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'renpy.vc_version' :P
<OscarL>
"import setuplib" that doesn't rings a bell to me either.
<OscarL>
ah. its under the "scripts" dir... great.
<Begasus[m]>
Variable 'prefix' not defined in '/boot/system/develop/lib/pkgconfig/assimp.pc'
<Begasus[m]>
those should be fixed also ...
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<OscarL>
I'll let you chase it. This machine is too slow to browse code on github.
<Begasus[m]>
first thing to check would be repology I guess :)
<Begasus[m]>
~> pkg-config --cflags assimp
<Begasus[m]>
Variable 'prefix' not defined in '/boot/system/develop/lib/pkgconfig/assimp.pc'
<OscarL>
K. Will move this SSD back to the desktop PC and hopefully start pushing my cleanups later today, after I get some sleep.
<OscarL>
have fun, everyone. read you soon!
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<Begasus[m]>
bugger ... tl again :)
<phschafft>
terminals....
<Begasus[m]>
not playing nice phschafft ? ;)
<phschafft>
correct ;)
<phschafft>
super complex to work with.
<phschafft>
and I'm out of bits ;)
<Begasus[m]>
time for a hike maybe? :D
<Begasus[m]>
sometimes helps to clear the mind :)
<phschafft>
na, wx is bad today. and I was outside yesterday.
<phschafft>
so today is my 'cleared up' day.
<phschafft>
or in other words: I already pushed that problem forward to a day I have the resources for it, hoping that day is today ;)
<Begasus[m]>
only thing left is to collect your bits then :P
<phschafft>
em....
<phschafft>
all my bits are where they belong! 16 per slot; in two slots ;)
<Begasus[m]>
no more slots then? ;)
<phschafft>
na, only three, one for the backend, one for the size, and one for flags and status.
<phschafft>
I think I have a total of two bits left. and I could implement an enum with them: normal, got ESC, got OSC, got SS3
<phschafft>
with the first two allowing to keep going normally, but the last two would get the terminal into blocking io mode.
<Begasus[m]>
and then I was lost again :D
* phschafft
shows Begasus[m] how to find his way using the sun.
<Begasus[m]>
it's clouded :)
<phschafft>
in that case... *offers his compass*
<Begasus[m]>
that could work :D
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<phschafft>
I might be a bit more of an outdoor person than others, but I'm always confused when people are totally unable to navigate in the outdoors.
<phschafft>
recently I visited a church (mostly historical interest) and that churchperson who takes care of things didn't know the orientation of the building. I always thought religions are into cardinal directions.
<Begasus[m]>
not aware if they are?
<Begasus[m]>
biab
<phschafft>
hm?
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<phschafft>
we should have some rainbow coloured cables in the channel. they look nice.
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<Begasus[m]>
;)
<phschafft>
hey, when I'm not helping on-topic I can at least ensure everyone feels at home!
<Anarchos>
hello
<erysdren>
hi
<phschafft>
morning to the two of you.
<Anarchos>
i can't develop for a while cause my dev machine is busy backuping data for days (from befs partition on Sata hdd to ntfs on usb external hdd) :(
<phschafft>
:(
<Begasus[m]>
:(
<phschafft>
how big is it?
<Anarchos>
phschafft I have 3 partitions to backup from 3G to 30G
<phschafft>
hm.
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<Begasus[m]>
k, downgraded local Qt to 6.9.0, so far the most stable one :)
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<Anarchos>
hmm, can't find a method to get the current cursor displayed...
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<Anarchos>
jmairboeck could you look why pdflatex compiles the pdf format every time i use it ?
<jmairboeck>
maybe something is wrong with the config files. I don't really know this in detail.
<jmairboeck>
something is broken with texlive, because texinfo (specifically texi2dvi) also failed when trying to build lilypond's documentation in haikuporter. I still have to look at that too.
<Anarchos>
better than haiku packages is when the support is native so need of package : i am trying to upstream patches to OCaml to get native compilation back (and not just bytecode)
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<scantysnax>
hello all. has anyone had any luck tethering to a mobile phone on haiku? my network name never shows up in preferences.
<Anarchos>
scantysnax i used to do it with my androd phone. But as wifi access point or as usb modem ?
<scantysnax>
wifi access point.
<scantysnax>
it works fine in mac os, and linux, but not haiku
<Anarchos>
scantysnax some times i have to deactivate/reactivate the wifi card in haiku
<Anarchos>
for it to detect new networks
<scantysnax>
ah, i see. sometimes the network name does show up in network preferences, but i can't connect.
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<Anarchos>
scantysnax sometimes i do 'arp -F' in Terminal too
<Anarchos>
to clear the ARP cache
<scantysnax>
ah, good idea, i will try it tomorrow on my haiku laptop.
<scantysnax>
brought both laptops to work.
<scantysnax>
mac os is a little heavy for me, but i usually use this laptop to work on music,
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<Anarchos>
how to download the last patchset of a change in gerrit to my local repo ?
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<Skipp_OSX>
push the download button, copy the "cherry-pick" and paste it in
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX thanks
<Skipp_OSX>
that will bring the change in on top of your local repo, you'll probably want to create a branch first before you do that, or get the checkout one to create a branch for you
<Skipp_OSX>
git checkout -b my_cool_branch_name and then cherry-pick on top or get the checkout link, you'll go into temp branch mode then use git switch -c my_cool_branch_name
<Skipp_OSX>
Either way, I find cherry-pick'ing a bit easier
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<Anarchos>
i am still on my dedicated branch for this PR :)