<nekobot>
• OscarL (6b7fe5fd): python3.13: change in comment to trigger build on the x86_64 builder. (#12554)
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<janking>
hello
<mbrumbelow>
What the world needs… more Python. ;P
<bjorkintosh>
python sounds cute, but 3.everything is !!!TITANABOA!!!
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<Begasus[m]>
plenty of pythons around :P (only buildmaster not co-operating for that python 3.13) :P
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<nephele>
I would like some support for the intel ARC gpu so it can set the fan curve
<nephele>
the advertisement of the card has a 0db fan mode for when the card is not too hot... and in generall with framebuffer only this seems like it would be possible to run like that all the time in Haiku
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<waddlesplash>
nephele: signal generation for HDMI and DP can require a bunch of power I think. it may be enough that you need the fan. Anyway I think the fans are usually controlled by firmware not drivers?
<Begasus[m]>
it's a full-sync system, so not as experimental as this setup
<kallisti5[m]>
<Begasus[m]> "looks like build packages on..." <- sorry, i've been afk. the new buildmaster doesn't update the repos if the build disconnects. Let me run a manual repo regeneration and see what happens
<waddlesplash>
kallisti5[m]: that build succeeded though
<Begasus[m]>
just tried on yet another 32bit install, same thing
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<kallisti5[m]>
wow, there were a bunch backlogged lol
<Begasus[m]>
letting the dogs out for some play/run time, biab
<Begasus[m]>
;)
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<kallisti5[m]>
ok. should be fixed
<Begasus[m]>
Thanks!!
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<Begasus[m]>
see, I'm not crazy (all the time) :D
<Begasus[m]>
k, seems the gst_plugins_libav package was done also, despite being mentioned as failed?
<Begasus[m]>
anyway, all good now :)
<erysdren>
Begasus: will wait a few minutes for you to finish your review, then will push the appropriate fixes :3
<erysdren>
i'd like to point out that both of the things you've pointed out so far were also in the sdl2_image recipe, which i copied as a base X3
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<nephele>
Now i'm considering learning how dbus works, help xD
<nephele>
I want to write a Haiku application to control my server remotely, without the cli. It looks like both systemd and networkmanager have dbus apis to get some state out of the system
<erysdren>
:P
<nephele>
docker provides a http api... and openrc seems to not provide anything? hmm....
<Begasus[m]>
lol, does being on matrix not count then?
<Begasus[m]>
reboot ... clearing some cache
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: hook what up?
<Begasus[m]>
nephele, dbus*
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<Begasus[m]>
k, python3.13 finished on buildmaster waddlesplash , issue can be closed :)
<waddlesplash>
go ahead
<Begasus[m]>
;) will do, haven't launched all the basic apps yet :P
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<Begasus[m]>
done
<Begasus[m]>
devel:libTKernel$secondaryArchSuffix ... bah, probably need to build TBB for that again
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<nephele>
Begasus[m]: systemd already uses dbus
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] i learnt how to launch haiku in qemu, and debug it instruction by instruction in gdb :)
<phschafft>
I very much enjoy how everything basically implements the gdb protocol, so you can connect random components together.
<phschafft>
qemu and gdb being one such pair.
<Anarchos>
phschafft with 'layout asm' i could see the instruction listing, but i haven't yet found a way to display a bunch of memory addresses, all at once.
<Anarchos>
phschafft and i did'nt find how to share the underlying network connection.
<phschafft>
why not just display them?
<Anarchos>
phschafft how to display memory areas in gdb ? (i am very new to gdb indeed)
<phschafft>
displayed values should be reported again once you move forward.
<phschafft>
display
<phschafft>
help display
<nephele>
are you looking for help?
<phschafft>
display takes any expression. so if you for example have some struct at some address cast to that struct and gdb will display it as that struct.
<phschafft>
you can also use any variables etc. as exported by the running program (here the kernel).
<Anarchos>
phschafft i am aware of 'display' command, i am just looking for a way to visualize a whole 1k of stack, and see how it evolves.
<phschafft>
ah. I mean you could cast it to a 1k array of bytes ;)
<phschafft>
but no idea if there is a better way. I'm normally looking at things that have a real type, not stuff that is random regions of memory.
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<Begasus[m]>
Anarchos can't seem to boot 32bit atm here with qemu, maybe need to reduce the image size
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] did I tell you i almost ported a linux driver for an accelerometer ?
<phschafft>
shake it!
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] strange, you just need to create a 6G virtual drive as i did (stealing command line options from tqh's blog)
<nephele>
park the HDD heads when you see it falls down :)
<Anarchos>
phschafft well i move the eeepc and i see numbers move in terminal :)
<Anarchos>
nephele that'is the goal.
<Anarchos>
nephele it is a eeePC with an acceloremeter, to park heads (in win7) when kids let the laptop fall.
<phschafft>
Anarchos: that, I must say, sounds fun. :)
<nephele>
(though switching to a SSD sounds easier, but still a fun project)
<nephele>
Anarchos: is that a userspace driver you are building?
<Begasus[m]>
Anarchos about the accelerometer .. no, can't remember :)
<nephele>
you could consider sending the debug output to devconsole
<Anarchos>
nephele i can open that laptop if you really want the info.
<jmairboeck>
Begasus[m]: your cache is outdated, there is nothing to fix otherwise
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<scanty>
any devs around, having a slight bug with BRecentFilesList. offending code: https://bpa.st/IGRQ
<nephele>
Anarchos: that's alright. Was just the idea that if it's something we already have good userspace support for it might be easier to debug in userspace :)
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* phschafft
points scanty randomly to nephele.
<Anarchos>
nephele i think it is a kernel_driver_add_on, so not sure if it is kernel or user space :)
<Begasus[m]>
jmairboeck only need to run hp foo -c first for those
<Begasus[m]>
nothing changed in the recipe for months (TBB)
<nephele>
phschafft: what makes you think i'm a real developer?
<Anarchos>
nephele but it writes in syslog.
<scanty>
well the code is there for the taking, so...
<Begasus[m]>
Pe could use a nice icon when in dark mode :)
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<nephele>
scanty: I don't understand what your issue is :)
<phschafft>
nephele: I think that is the wrong question. a better question would be: what makes you think I can help him? and the answer would be: you know a good bit of the GUI related code by now and you are around. so you surely seem qualified for first level support ;)
<Begasus[m]>
Anarchos got a few scripts like that for 32bit/64bit and riscv64 :)
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<nephele>
phschafft: have some time?
<Anarchos>
sorry, i crashed (laptop overheat...)
<nephele>
maybe you need a temperature sensor D:
<nephele>
(maybe the fan is grimy?)
<Anarchos>
nephele the pads below the computer are too thin
<Anarchos>
nephele i just put some wooden pieces under each side . Must do the job
<nephele>
normally if the fan is not enough then the next step is the cpu should throttle
<Anarchos>
nephele not sure if haiku is able to display CPU temperature
<phschafft>
nephele: how much? I think mine will run out in at latest 75 years. ;)
<nephele>
it should be able
<Anarchos>
nephele where ?
<nephele>
Anarchos: not sure :)
<phschafft>
${wooden support for extra cooling}++
<nephele>
phschafft: jitsi, want to talk a bit about the idea to remotely view server state...
<Anarchos>
phschafft i jsut saw an old friend of mine putting two stabilo pens under the laptop on the table :)
<phschafft>
nephele: in about one and a half songs?
<nephele>
what's that in SI units?
<scanty>
sorry, late, but Pe has a dark mode?
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] steill no answer of korli on my last comment in my bootloader merge request
<nephele>
it has color schemes like Koder
<nephele>
so not following the OS, you have to configure it
<phschafft>
give me a long moment to calculate that for you. but at that time I will likely be close to zero seconds. ;)
<scanty>
right, i was sure i hadn't seen that it had themes
<scanty>
you have to go colour by colour
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<nephele>
ouch
<scanty>
not doing that for dark mode.
<nephele>
well, Koder has just a combobox to select premade themes
<phschafft>
Anarchos: I have my wooden support right next to me. used it for years.
<Begasus[m]>
scanty was talking about the icon shown in the Deskbar menu when launched (and running dark mode in Haiku)
<nephele>
but in reality we should get a nicer api for this. There are atleast 3 places in the OS that should match syntax colors... Debugger, <your favorite code editor> and uhm... i forgot the third one xD
<nephele>
can do that by copy/pasting the settings file aswell Begasus[m]
<phschafft>
was going for some URL poetry, but remembered that you copy that by typing.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, once you finetuned it nephele :)
<Begasus[m]>
got one for Vision in that case
<Anarchos>
ah, usbmanager is a new thing, i never saw it before
<Begasus[m]>
biab
<Anarchos>
nephele in Appearances the checkbox just say 'auto selection of secondary colors' nothing about a dark theme...
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<nephele>
Anarchos: enable it, then slide the slider below it for the panel color
<Anarchos>
nephele ah yes, text color switch from black to white when darkness passes from 127 to 128 !
<Anarchos>
nephele i have indeed the idea to write a driver using the integrated webcam to autoadjust brightness and dark mode...
<nephele>
are you talking about gamma adjustment or dark mode?
<Anarchos>
nephele both :)
<Anarchos>
nephele the kind of idea i should put into GlassElevator...
<nephele>
gamma adjustment has no place in glass elevator, it needs to api breaks
<nephele>
and auto-dark mode is something... well, it exists. Personally i really hate it
<Anarchos>
glass elevator is for haiku R2 so all breaking API from BeOS were to put there (that's what i recall from openbeos)
<nephele>
yes, but this is not an API break to make app_server do gamma adjustments
<Anarchos>
anyway i still can't control the brightness of my screen cause i must rely only on VESA driver, cause my nvidia card is not supported and intel extreme just has 'black screen'
<Anarchos>
do we have uvc driver ?
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<Habbie>
i recently got intel_extreme to work for my laptop, and now i have brightness control
<Habbie>
and native resolution
<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: yes, but it doesn't quite work for most webcams and isn't built by default
<Habbie>
but 'black screen' is not where i started
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<Begasus[m]>
bah ... problem 1: package xlibe-0.3.3-1 conflicts with libx11 provided by libx11-1.6.9-3
<Begasus[m]>
not pursuing that atm ...
<waddlesplash>
we shouldn't have a libx11 at all
<waddlesplash>
the recipe should be disabled
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<Begasus[m]>
waddlesplash conflicts with tk_devel which I need for this (nothing new there) :)
<Begasus[m]>
but closing down here
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps
<Anarchos>
somebody knows how to make qemu uses the host's network card and connection?
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 687e76e3f989 - kernel/vm: Make the first CACHE_TYPE be 1 instead of 0.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 92f73a4e2c07 - RAMFS: Use cache types of 0 (invalid) rather than "RAM".
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] ceec330bbb4d - kernel/vm: Numerous fixes to area cutting and commitment logic.
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<bunkermatty>
Hey, i'm having a issue getting Haiku to work in a multiboot setup with Grub2 on a old Pentium III machine. I put the menu entry in Grub but when I try to boot from it I get "error: invalid signature". I tried reinstalling the boot loader, reinstalling Haiku, reformatting the partition but nothing I tried made it work. It is installed in a logical partition.
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<bjorkintosh>
bunkermatty: what's on the other partition?
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<bunkermatty>
bjorkintosh: The first partition is a Win98SE install, the other 2 primary partitions are "reserved" (for future use by me for other weird OS's that might not like logical partitions), then a extended partition that has a Devuan install and then Haiku, and then unallocated space
<bjorkintosh>
hmm. bunkermatty hard to ascertain. I'd use gparted from a live ubuntu usb to see if it'll help fix it properly.
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<bunkermatty>
bjorkintosh i was using my devuan parition + gparted to do my formatting, and i tried inside haiku (just reformatting the partition)
<bunkermatty>
the error means that it cant find the bootloader i think? not sure though
<bjorkintosh>
is haiku marked bootable?
<bunkermatty>
bjorkintosh: the partition itself doesnt need to be but i dont think it can be marked as such since its a logical partition, the bootloader should be installed though and Grub should be chainloading it
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<bjorkintosh>
bunkermatty: do you have a spare harddrive laying around?
<bjorkintosh>
you could install haiku by itself on that.
<bunkermatty>
nope, i dont have another ide drive
<bjorkintosh>
why not use the primary partition then for now?
<bunkermatty>
yeah i should probably test if it works in a primary partition lol