<nephele_mac>
Skipp_OSX: should i implement right click copy without the menu?
<x512[m]>
No further action is needed.
<x512[m]>
Do not fix that is not broken, really.
<nephele_mac>
Skipp_OSX: or maybe a modifier click would make the review happy then... say cmd+left click
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<Skipp_OSX>
yeah basically, or just Copy
<Skipp_OSX>
you can't undo/redo, cut past or select
<Skipp_OSX>
so just copy is enough but yeah that's the idea, right-click => Copy
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<Skipp_OSX>
you can't even Alt+C
<Skipp_OSX>
you could do Alt+LMB I guess
<nephele_mac>
okay. i think that is clear enough. and would avoid the issue of people "accidentally" overwriting their clipboard with left click
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah, that's my main fear/concern
<nephele_mac>
but right click is good in your opinion?
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah, but no discoverability
<Skipp_OSX>
if you did Alt+LMB you could show the copy cursor when Alt is down
<nephele_mac>
we still have the copy cursor to indicate something is going on
<nephele_mac>
but we don't neccesarily need the copy cursor when all labels work like this
<nephele_mac>
but that means we really have to add support for combobox labels, bbox, checkboxes etc
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I think we'd have to anyway because it would confusing if only some of the labels weren't copyable
<nephele_mac>
i think holding alt and then hovering would not really be that well discoverable, because you already need to decide to hold alt in the first place
<Skipp_OSX>
true
<nephele_mac>
so we are basically at the same design as before, just with right click now
<Skipp_OSX>
correct
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<nephele_mac>
I guess next week i could revive my click patch and add support for the other parts of it
<nephele_mac>
but i still doubt that it will be merged then *shrug*
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<andreasdr[m]>
How is it going?
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<Skipp_OSX>
Trash icon is still frustrating me
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<x512[m]>
I am fully with Waddlesplash here.
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* OscarL
*finally* manages to successfully access PCI config registers from Python code via the /dev/misc/poke driver.
<OscarL>
man, wish I was less dumb.
<OscarL>
speaking of trying to be less dumb... /me goes and commit this working code before he messes it up again.
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<OscarL>
hello there andreasdr[m], btw. Nice to see you around :-)
<HaikuUser>
Hi, I was hoping someone might be willing to help me troubleshoot this. I'm on the latest beta release, trying to follow the UFI install instructions. The step where I need to format the EFI partition as FAT32 is failing, I keep getting a system error. It works if I chose BeFS but not FAT?
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<Snappo>
Also my computer supports legacy boot, but I can't get it to boot from my SSD, despite it showing up in Haiku and being a valid install target, I even tried installing Bootman. If I mash the space bar when booting off the USB stick, the hard drive does not show up as an option
* Snappo
finds the dostools package
<OscarL>
Snappo: for the last issue (Haiku not booting in Legacy mode)... a common pitfall is having created the partitions from other OS, and then trying to re-use them with Haiku. One needs to delete and re-create the partitions with DriveSetup for things to work.
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there OscarL.
<Snappo>
OscarL: I tried initialzing the disk first, several times, didn't help
<andreasdr[m]>
Whats up in argentinia?
<OscarL>
Snappo: welp, if the whole disk was initialized, I guess that's a different issue then :-(
<Snappo>
oh good now dostools just failed to install *cries*
<Snappo>
I just tried mkfs from the Terminal:
<Snappo>
~> DiskDeviceJobQueue::Execute(): executing job: N8BPrivate13InitializeJobE DiskDeviceJobQueue::Execute(): executing job failed: General system error mkfs: Initialization of "Unnamed" failed: General system error
<Snappo>
this was after initializing the disk with GUID partitioning and creating a UFI system partition
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: I wouldn't really know, lol. I "checked-out" from following tv/news from my country a couple years ago (to try to not get even crazier :-P). On "very-local news" (as in... my house)... can't complain much :-)
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: hoping things on your end are not too shabby.
<OscarL>
Snappo: sounds like Haiku got pretty confused with your disk :-/. Maybe one of the developers can help you out (if they are around)... or try again tomorrow (timezones...), or post about your issues on the help section of the forum (https://discuss.haiku-os.org), or open a ticket over https://dev.haiku-os.org.
<Snappo>
thanks
<OscarL>
bbl (maybe).
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<HaikuUser>
I was just reading someone on Reddit with the same issue I'm having, apparently M2 drives just don't work right yet, I just popped in a spare SATA drive and I'm not having the same issue now
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<Skipp_OSX>
eMMC doesn't work...
<Skipp_OSX>
idk about M.2 that should work
<Skipp_OSX>
This is officially a Heisenbug now. It works when I log.
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<Snappo>
huzzah, a new BeBox is born, time to celebrate with the BeOS song
<Snappo>
If I like having my deskbar on the left instead of the right does that mean I'm secretly right handed?
<Snappo>
*left handed
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<andreasdr>
Haha. Using vision right now. Testing my haiku instrallation. I have a haiku machine again.
<Snappo>
nice, I see probono983 lurking in here, I was just reading your writeup a few min ago, and have spoken to you previously about your HelloSys project :)
<Snappo>
very nice andreasdr, this is the way
<Snappo>
we shall test our fresh BeBoxen together *toast*
<Snappo>
Now I'm thinking about painting this thing BeBox colors, I haven't done a casemod since like 2002
<Snappo>
it's an HP Elitedesk
<Snappo>
*HaikuDepot noises*
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<Snappo>
I actually daily drove Haiku on an EeePC for a good year or so back in 2011ish
<andreasdr>
Very cool.
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<Snappo2>
hmm the wifi is flaking out a bit I plugged in ethernet
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<Skipp_OSX>
arg!
<Snappo2>
Skipp_OSX: wassamatta you
<Skipp_OSX>
turned logging off, the bug came back
<Snappo2>
pooh, I just installed Audacious and it segfaults immediately
<Snappo2>
I think I might reinstall with 32 bit so I can use CL-AMP <_<
<Skipp_OSX>
this makes no sense
<Skipp_OSX>
how could it be possible? but it is
<Snappo2>
what bug?
<Skipp_OSX>
#8696
<Snappo2>
at least the web version of Winamp is working XD these Edifier speakers I found at the thrift store are quite era appropriate
<Skipp_OSX>
Trash icon not updating
<andreasdr>
Hihi. Does someone know where makefile-engine is located usually? I have a bug: Makefile:143: /etc/makefile-engine: No such file or directory
<Skipp_OSX>
it's def in a package, possibly haiku_devel
<andreasdr>
Hm. Looks like its somewhere else, or I am stupid. pkgman sais haiku_devel is already installed.
<andreasdr>
also makefile-engine is installed already
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<OscarL>
Snappo: if using a SATA device "fixed" things for you... please try to open a ticket about things not working with the M.2 drive (attaching the output of "listdev", and a copy of "/var/log/syslog" to the ticket you create).
<OscarL>
to placate Snappo's vim needs... you could use vim + the YouCompleteMe package.
<Snappo>
lol my need to shake my head at people who insist on using it you mean?
<Snappo>
I'm a GNU Nano boy thanks
* OscarL
is an heretic still in search for the one true TUI editor with *proper* CUA keybindings.
<Snappo>
oh man that's smooth, I was just resizing my Vision window various directions to watch how fast everything scales
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<Snappo>
I was pretty excited to see Comsmoe come back but I can't get it to even begin to compile, oh well
<Snappo>
it would be a shame if someone published a binary of the SDL version *cough*
<Snappo>
woah baron dropping the f bomb XD
<OscarL>
(I should probably finish up "porting/stealing" SanOS editor, and use that for git commit and such)
<OscarL>
I remember being pretty excited about Cosmoe back in the days.
<Snappo>
I'm excited now, but reading about the Haiku features that aren't possible on Linux is a bummer
<Snappo>
It would be nice to see Haiku apps showing up on Linux. I like telling people that VLC was a BeOS program
<Snappo>
seems like people would be more willing to make native apps if they aren't stranded on just Haiku ya know
<OscarL>
I wouldn't mind having a mostly-Haiku UI/UX on top of the lot of drivers Linux has... Would love to have that as a Haiku+Linux/Cosmoe dual boot.
<Snappo>
same, I crave a proper deskbar on linux so badly. I usually rearrage my KDE plasma bar to be as similar as possible
<OscarL>
Snappo: vlc... and Transmission too.
<Snappo>
I think Handbrake too yeah?
<Snappo>
didn't know about Transmission, that's sick
<OscarL>
right... Eric Petit
<Snappo>
I use Handbrake every week to prepare church sermons for upload :) feels good man
<Snappo>
okay I'm gonna reinstall with 32 bit because reasons, brb
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<Snappo>
hmm the 32 bit version wasn't booting, oh well w/e
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<andreasdr>
Hi there fellow devs: does anybody has an idea? pkgconf exited with exit code 1, see error: Package gl was not found in the pkg-config search path.
* Snappo
is not a dev but a mere mortal
<andreasdr>
@x512: you maybe? :DDD
<OscarL>
andreasdr: sounds like you're trying to compile somthing that expects "gl" to be some linkable -lgl lib?
<andreasdr>
Yes, Does some of your packages provide g
<andreasdr>
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gl.pc'
<andreasdr>
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
<andreasdr>
Package 'gl', required by 'glu', not found
<OscarL>
if so... while we have /boot/system/lib/libGL.so, I don't think we have gl.pc files for it.
<OscarL>
Somehow my understanding of C/C++ is way worse than my Python one, yet my C/C++ code (accessing hardware) works better than my Python code.
<OscarL>
in any case... got things working well enough as to be able to continue doing experiments in writting user-space code (from Python even) for accessing hardware monitoring devices (as in LPC bus Super I/O devices, and some simple "read some pci config space registers" devices, like in my amd_temp driver).
<OscarL>
adding CPU msr access, should allow for easier experimenting with cpu frequency scaling for my hardware (and maybe then I could finally write a Haiku version of PhenomMSRTweaker. for my undervolting needs :-D)
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<Snappo>
HAIKU HAS FIREFOX FORKS NOW? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?!
<Snappo>
watching Michael MJD's BeOS retrospective rather smoothly on Youtube in LibreWolf!
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<Begasus[m]>
g''morning peeps
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<Snappo>
howdy Begasus good to see you, I remember seeing you on BeShare long ago
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<nep_mac>
HI Begasus[m]
<Snappo>
I am absolutely shocked to see we have working Firefox forks now, never thought I'd see the day I can run mainstream browser extensions on Haiku :)
<Snappo>
been long road, gettin' from there to here
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* nep_mac
is still in the camp of if it is an "essential" extension it should not be an extension at all... like adblockers
<Snappo>
Yeah, well
<Snappo>
I'm not holding my breath for a Brave port haha
<nep_mac>
Yeah, I hope not. >.>
<Snappo>
hmm what would be a good name for a Haiku Brave fork
<nep_mac>
"malware"
* Snappo
yawns at the hate for the easily disabled crypto wallet
<Snappo>
well I really should go to bed it's like midnight here
<Snappo>
sure feels good to be home though
<nep_mac>
Not sure why you think this has anything to do with a crypto wallet but okay.
<Snappo>
oh, most people who call Brave "malware" are complaining about the BAT wallet and rewards
<Snappo>
anyway good night
<nep_mac>
Besides, I already have webkit2 rendering and accepting input events... adblocking is on my list after getting it in a useable state, so don't see the need to port yet another engine for something webkit does way better than chromium anyway...
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<nep_mac>
Wrote my entire jamfile... running "Jam" and it's not doing anything only finding targets.... I have some actions defined, and some rules that reference those actions... and then some "ThisAction param : param ;" calls at the bottom... what am i missing?
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<Begasus[m]>
;)
<Begasus[m]>
need to check on 32bit, something still needed for buildmasters (but when I'm home) :)
<janking>
:)
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<Begasus[m]>
bbl
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<phschafft>
mau.
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<griin>
Will Haiku OS loose many of current users, when someone will finish the Haiku API port to Linux?
<griin>
or new ones
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<phschafft>
I think both are so far off main stream that they might only additive interfere.
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<PulkoMandy>
personally I don't plan to switch to linux. But knowing that I can write apps using the beapi and maybe distribut a linux version is kind of nice
<PulkoMandy>
For some things I may have written the app in a portable toolkit pefore, and now I don't need to
<PulkoMandy>
So, more native apps? :)
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<Anarchos>
Is there a graphical FTP tool ?
<erysdren>
PulkoMandy: you're talking about Cosmoe right?
<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: there is FtpPositive in the Depot
<Anarchos>
jmairboeck nice ! Thanks a lot, cause i want to copy from old laptops to new laptop :)
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<gr0egor>
I restarted Haiku, but after that program SoftwareUpdater gives me error: Updates did not complete - Failed to download package noto_sans_cjk_jp
<gr0egor>
Can anyone try SoftwareUpdater and tell me if it throws same error or nothing?
<phschafft>
erysdren: 141 commits on the vm branch so far ;)
<phschafft>
I think I have *nearly* covered all the basics now. ;)
<erysdren>
w00t!
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<phschafft>
looking forward to do some feature works after just implemting random parsing and proxy implementations.
<phschafft>
as much fun as it is to see single opcodes come to life, it would be fun to do something that feels like it improves a visible property of the system ;)
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<gr0egor>
Is it possible that latest nightly version is cause of the non-working HaikuDepot and SoftwareUpdater?
<nekobot>
• jmairboeck (1304ee63): freedroidrpg: bump to version 1.0…
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<jmairboeck>
Begasus[m]: I'll try adding devel:libssl$secondaryArchSuffix to libreoffice, but I can't test it, so we'll have to rely on buildmaster for that
<Begasus[m]>
+1 for me jmairboeck , not looking forward on checking a build for that monster too :)
<nekobot>
• Begasus (93ca1979): krita, bump version (bugfix) to 5.2.11 (#12585)…
<Begasus[m]>
OK, that's done too
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<gr0egor>
I reformated and reinstalled nighly build. Now there is no problem with SoftwareUpdater and HaikoDepot . I didn't do anything before my last install, just two mentioned apps.
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<gr0egor>
Just curious, has anyone of you here spotted the errors and fixed them?
* phschafft
provides gr0egor with a cookie so he knows he is not being ignored.
<OscarL>
gr0egor: sometimes servers glitch a bit (and sometimes not for all users... perhaps a CDN thing?), and after a while things go back to normal :-(
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<Begasus[m]>
gr0egor if you used the same install medium then nothing would have been changed
<gr0egor>
I used same install media
<Begasus[m]>
depending on what you wanted to install, but updating on a clean install should just work
<OscarL>
gr0egor: I'd say... if you again in the future encounter such issues while using HaikuDepot/SoftwareUpdater/pkgman... give it a few hours (or a day or two :-P), and try again. If issues persist... check the forum to see if others are experiencing the same.
<Begasus[m]>
if things don't go down the way OscarL mentioned :)
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<OscarL>
what I usually do is just read those .rej files, and instead of modifying them so they can be applied, I edit the "target" file instead. I should give the method jmairboeck linked a try.
<OscarL>
and maybe add it to my "how to update .patchset files" guide... so I can confuse Begasus[m] further! :-P
<Begasus[m]>
I've got grac now! :P
<OscarL>
the wat?
<jmairboeck>
in this case, editing the .rej file and re-applying it was easier :)
<OscarL>
I should try recording my next "update large .patchset" session with asciinema or BScreenCapture, might be easier to follow than my poorly written guide.
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<Begasus[m]>
nah, more likely my brain isn't up for that challenge OscarL :)
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<OscarL>
doubtful... given that even *I* managed to learn it :-D.
<OscarL>
(like most things git-related, in my experience, LOL)
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: I still need to have my "git-cheatsheet.txt" file at hand for anything slightly complex (including the TL;DR version of my guide too :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
same here from time for the "usefull variables" :)
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<Begasus[m]>
need to do some house-keeping I guess ...
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<erysdren>
oh cool, i didnt know filelight was available on haiku
<erysdren>
or did you just port it? lol
<Begasus[m]>
it's in the depot :) just did a build for latest release
<Begasus[m]>
k, letting this thing do it's work (thanks for the list_work_dirs OscarL :) )
<Begasus[m]>
settling in front of the TV
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
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<OscarL>
End your day well Begasus[m]!
<OscarL>
re: Filelight.... "But we have DiskUsage at home!!!"
<jmairboeck>
yes, of course :) But I'm not always running Haiku. I even used Filelight running in WSL1 on my work computer, that way it even works for Windows disks.
<OscarL>
for the Windows-only side of things... WizTree is *very* fast.
<Skipp_OSX>
I just don't get why the Trash icon doesn't update sometimes
<jmairboeck>
I have a graphical WSL setup with some KDE tools running there anyway, so it wasn't much more to add
* OscarL
offers moral support to Skipp_OSX, and thanks him for his efforts.
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: always nice to have good tools available, no matter where they come from :-)
<Skipp_OSX>
it works most of the time... but then it messes up for no reason
<Skipp_OSX>
it's using node monitoring to monitor files changing in Trash dir and to update the Trash icon, and I have to assume that node monitoring is working correctly.
<OscarL>
I remember having issues with node monitoring, because I was getting more events than I intended. (as in... I only cared for changes in the file content, not for changes in attributes and such).
<Skipp_OSX>
I mean you can specify what you want B_WATCH_DIRECTORY but not B_WATCH_ATTR
<Skipp_OSX>
e.g. watch_node(&nref, B_WATCH_DIRECTORY, be_app_messenger);
<OscarL>
yeah, I think silly me was using B_WATCH_ALL :-P (I'm a noob)
<OscarL>
ended up using B_WATCH_STAT (I was monitoring only a setting file). Should re-visit that code one day.
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm monitoring Trash directory changes and mount changes to update the Trash status, then writing an attribute and separately monitoring attribute changes to update the icon, that should all be working.
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<Skipp_OSX>
TrashWatcher monitors the directory and mount changes, PoseVIew, well actually DesktopPoseView or FilePanelPoseView depending on which Traah icon monitors the icon attribute changes.
<Skipp_OSX>
I haven't tested if the Trash icon in a file panel updates but it should
<Skipp_OSX>
... at least as well as the one on Desktop does anyway.