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<steev>
amd?
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<apple-corps[m]>
Anyone see the following warning in dmesg: ```[ 90.623594] warning: `ThreadPoolForeg' uses wireless extensions which will stop working for Wi-Fi 7 hardware; use nl80211
<dgilmore>
apple-corps[m]: I remember seeing that in the past but do not currently on the t14s
<dgilmore>
TYPEC_MUX_WCD939X_USBSS and SND_SOC_WSA881X were both unset
<steev>
apple-corps[m]: it's probably chrome
<steev>
dgilmore: is that what fixed the audio for you?
<dgilmore>
steev: building a kernel now
<dgilmore>
someone above mentioned WCD and WSA devices. and those two were turned off
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<steev>
i do have both of those as module here
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<bumble[m]>
would anyone recommend a distro for stable x13s usage? I want kind of an enterprisey experience where things don't have to be perfect but never want updates to leave the system in an unusable black-screen-state
<JensGlathe[m]>
Ubuntu. You know the meme
<HdkR>
Install all your favourite snap packages today, like gnome-calculator.
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<JensGlathe[m]>
Hell yeah
<Jasper[m]>
@[bumble深く傷を] I've been running Fedora for a while on mine. Needs a tiny bit of elbow grease to boot and then get installed with all the right modules in initramfs, but otherwise it works perfectly fine.
<Jasper[m]>
("a tiny bit" being, extracting the dtb-qcom package and pulling out the dtb to put on the ESP of your usb drive)
<Jasper[m]>
Same for after the install, but on the nvme drive
* travmurav[m]
wonders how many distros actually do active QA on qcom arm laptops
<Jasper[m]>
Just Ubuntu I think
<JensGlathe[m]>
and snap is the price
<abby>
void does, at least for x13s and asahi
<travmurav[m]>
As in, even considering the recent fun where linux "stable" backported some ""fixes""
<Jasper[m]>
Fedora has support by way of having all the needed kernel options and just running upstream
<travmurav[m]>
pmOS also has kernel qa for each kernel bump and full os qa for each stable release (with edge (rolling) being run by devs so non-kernel breakages would be found quickly)
<travmurav[m]>
But my point is, running on "upstream stable" feels like a worse idea to me unless there is active qa involved, things do break upstream sometimes
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<travmurav[m]>
Otoh as long as kernel can be reverted to a previous version on boot, I gtit should be fine
<travmurav[m]>
*guess
<abby>
the defect rate is not significantly different than x86 tbh
<JensGlathe[m]>
unless you do stuff like coreutils-rs
<travmurav[m]>
Yeah id hope so, but i think qcom is a much more fast moving target compared to x86, so subjectively feels like backported ""fixes"" breaking stuff is more likely
<travmurav[m]>
Then again maybe dont listen to me, im on the other extreme with always running kernels I built myself xD
<abby>
my x13s also has zfs for / so I'm not always on mainline, sometimes back a release or 2
<abby>
but the only issue recently was the fw size thing
<abby>
and that wasn't a boot fail but a hw rendering fail
<_mike_>
steev: slim 5x snapdragon
<steev>
bumble[m]: i just use debian (well, kali, but i should probably switch to debian at some point)
<steev>
abby: what are y'all doing with zfs with the 6.18 kernel? i think it will be that breaks zfs
<janrinze>
Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5x 14Q8X9 (83HL003RMH) ... Any thoughts on this laptop? It's ony 8 cores but has 32GB memory.
<JensGlathe[m]>
I like these
<janrinze>
I have not yet tried the Qualcomm X-Elite yet. The laptop has a lot more I/O available (many ports)
<JensGlathe[m]>
Don't have one, I have the 5 2in1 with 360° hinge and touchscreen / pen. Only "limitation" is 16GB. But I really like it, currently upgrading the SSD to 2TB
<JensGlathe[m]>
I have most of the ports working, and sound/camera/fp reader.
<JensGlathe[m]>
HDMI is pending, need to up to 6.17 for that
<JensGlathe[m]>
But dp 4 lanes is working on the type-c ports, too.
<HdkR>
Thunderbolt plez :)
<JensGlathe[m]>
Haaah
<JensGlathe[m]>
Not sure if it is.
<HdkR>
It's definitely not wired up
<HdkR>
I'm just being greedy
<JensGlathe[m]>
These are 10GBps type-c with sbu muxes
<janrinze>
HdkR: :-D
<HdkR>
Ideally we get a third generation dev kit with its PCIe bus actually wired up and then I can thoroughly ignore PCIe passthrough over USB :P
<JensGlathe[m]>
Biggest surprise on the Ideapad was the quality of this chiclet style keyboard. Really good.
<janrinze>
HdkR: you don't mean something like Lenovo IdeaCentre Mini x Gen 10 Snapdragon
<HdkR>
janrinze: Does it actually have the PCIe lanes wired up internally? Never seen one opened.
<JensGlathe[m]>
It doesn'nt have a full PCIe slot, no?
<JensGlathe[m]>
My neighbour is getting one, I will set it up 😁
<janrinze>
JensGlathe[m]: very curious about its performance and how easy it will be to get Linux setup.
<JensGlathe[m]>
Hmm afaik sgerhold has one with PCIe populated
<JensGlathe[m]>
I know of a few others
<janrinze>
HdkR: that Ideacentre has two M2 PCIe gen4 x4 for SSDs. Those cannot be used to attach anything else, right?
<JensGlathe[m]>
I guess they can.
<HdkR>
travmurav[m]: I guess if you populate the port, it might just work
<JensGlathe[m]>
The missing pieces for pcie3 are known and in the qcp dt
<JensGlathe[m]>
Slim5x has the card reader on pcie3 and we got it working
<HdkR>
janrinze: Maybe! Guess it depends on if it is bifurcating those 8 lanes or what.
<maz>
my mini x is two days away...
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<jhovold>
Jasper[m]: thanks
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<janrinze>
JensGlathe[m]: Looking at geekbench 6 I really have no good reason to 'upgrade' from the x13s to an X-Elite laptop. 44% faster is not worth the euros spent i.h.m.o. Funny how there is always a 'faster' laptop :-D
<janrinze>
Oh.. i.m.h.o. is the right abbreviation. :-D
<JensGlathe[m]>
I have both (or so), all of them are fast enough or too slow depending on th task.
<_mike_>
Does the slim 5 x plus variant with 24gb ram work with the Ubuntu concept too?
<janrinze>
JensGlathe[m]: For Aarch64 stuff I have the M1-Ultra to do the heavy lifting. So I guess I'm all set :-D
<JensGlathe[m]>
If need t do a "release" build I do it on Dev Kit or x86 hw, faster and better cooling
<JensGlathe[m]>
there's a24gb ram variant?
<_mike_>
JensGlathe[m]: yes
<_mike_>
It's an X Plus
<JensGlathe[m]>
do you have a link? I guess it should the ideapad 5 are all x1p or x1
<bamse>
quite often, if i try to scp files from my xps13 to another machine over wifi...the xps reboots... is this a known problem with wifi, or something else?
<JensGlathe[m]>
There seem to be issues with certain combinations. I have a "sub-par" spot where i sit every evening, and.. T14s has issues with wifi up to hangs, Ideapad 5 marches on regardless. they are beside each other, same conditions, different signal strength. Both on 6.16. Both WCN7850
<bamse>
it seems to have the same problems as previous targets, that when i walk around my house it really doesn't want to switch to an access point in my mesh with better strength...
<bamse>
but that just annoying...the laptop randomly freezing and restarting...that's a real problem
<JensGlathe[m]>
Ideapad is upgrading to 25.10 after booting and installing from a (slightly amended) plucky ISO beside it, no issue
<valpackett>
bamse: interesting that you correlate it with wifi. but if you see *hard* freezes (no panic LED, no Magic SysRq, reboot by watchdog or long pressing the power button) it's gotta be the SSD ASPM thing
<JensGlathe[m]>
huh
<JensGlathe[m]>
could it be WiFi asmp, too?
<steev>
could be a combination
<JensGlathe[m]>
s/asmp/aspm/
<valpackett>
maybe?? but i'm running the WCN7850 with ASPM and it's perfectly stable for me
<JensGlathe[m]>
not here on T14s
<bamse>
valpackett: hmm, interesting... but that i can disable at runtime/boottime right?
<SpieringsAE>
"The Host Router features a microcontroller (with loadable firmware)" :( please no more vendor signed firmware
<konradybcio>
it's not to the best of my knowledge
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<SpieringsAE>
nice
<Jasper[m]>
Very cool stuff
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<crpalmer>
dgilmore: I believe you were having audio problems with Fedora (if not, ignore this). Make sure that CONFIG_PINCTRL_SM8550_LPASS_LPI=m is set in your configuration. The rawhide configuration that I'm looking at currently doesn't have this set.
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<anthony25>
steev: oh, the change around speaker protection is cool!
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<Jasper[m]>
Ohhhh shit, finally
<anthony25>
and it wouldn't rely on the devicetree at all for that? the logic is in the ADSP?
<bamse>
anthony25: logic lives in adsp, but it's configured and fed information from apps
<Jasper[m]>
Will the 3.5mm jack audio also be improved at some point? That's basically the last missing thing (besides suspend)
<JensGlathe[m]>
There are patches from Val Packett for it, in alsa-ucm-conf
<anthony25>
you guys are getting a 3.5mm jack? :o
<anthony25>
:p
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<Jasper[m]>
JensGlathe[m]: Is this that to get it working over 30% volume?
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<JensGlathe[m]>
No it was to kill some ULP mode and use a HiFi mode (more power, but also better sound)
<Jasper[m]>
Hmmm, I'm curious now
<JensGlathe[m]>
Look into the pr‘s, afk
<Jasper[m]>
The issue I had before was that over some (pulse/pw) volume level the sound would just mess up completely
<Jasper[m]>
Will do tomorrow, gn
<valpackett>
yep that's exactly how the "ultra low power" mode behaves
<valpackett>
it's probably intended for like, phone front speakers and such
<valpackett>
not for headphone jacks lol
<Jasper[m]>
Ahhh happy to hear that's fixed, maybe we may end up with a "finished" product after all :D
<valpackett>
the maintenance of the alsa ucm conf repo is frustrating, stuff gets quietly unmerged for ages >_<
<JensGlathe[m]>
I have my own jg/master that I use
<valpackett>
re: usb4 rfc, ordering an aliexpress thunderbolt gpu dock right now, time to place bets on whether it arrives before the first actual driver code patch is published :D
<konradybcio>
40Gbps networking between usb4/tbt3 devices for the price of a cable is perhaps even more interesting..
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