<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
The process that does this right now is called "s>talk_to_the_hand"
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
(nice naming xD)
<nephele>
very nice
<nephele>
i love haikuporter zomer deals
<nephele>
ThinkPadSL510Fox: hard to say without a debugger attached anyhow, but i've only known it to do that when my connection drops or something
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
I see
* ThinkPadSL510Fox
is in a fox box
<nephele>
you can just attach a debugger, set the thread to debugged, then click "generate report" in the menu, and then show the report here, but then again if you don't want to develop on it maybe the answer is not that usefull to you :)
* ThinkPadSL510Fox
's box says "DUMB FOX BOX"
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
I see, nephele
<nephele>
for reference, i mean "Debugger", like that is also the name of the application
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
I see
<nephele>
I'm getting distracted, i wanted to install debian on the other computer :3
<nephele>
gonna be afk a bit, need this input device to install debian heh... and the screen, laters :)
<Ellenor>
are ya a foxo
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
Yes, I am a fox (furry), Ellenor
<Ellenor>
I see
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
Yep
<Ellenor>
If it's not too much to ask, where are you from?
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
I'm from Poland
<Ellenor>
Right, thank you.
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
No problem
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
If you don't mind me asking, from what country are you, Ellenor ?
<Ellenor>
Man I phrased my q wrong. I don't say where I'm *from* 'cause I don't live there anymore.
<Ellenor>
I live in Canada.
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
I see
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<nekobot>
• threedeyes (0a14e21b): iceweasel: bump version
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
And Vision crashed yet again when I tried to connect to a different server
<phschafft>
and I would guess that poland has some wild ones.
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
Yep, tho, you need to be lucky to find a fox here
<phschafft>
:)
<ThinkPadSL510Fox>
What?
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<phschafft>
I would say 'fix your connection' but if he really has a problem with it taking all CPU that sounds more like a 'us' problem than a 'he' problem.
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<nephele_debian>
Hi
<nephele_debian>
I managed to break the installer slightly, so that's fun. :)
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Hello back again, Vision decided to crash for me
<Begasus[m]>
slap it :)
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Also, does anyone know if there are 3rd party drivers for a GTX 460 for Haiku?
<Begasus[m]>
searched the forum?
<Begasus[m]>
atleast nothing packaged afaik
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<VeritonM6610GFox>
Welcome in, xet7
<Anarchos>
VeritonM6610GFox i have a GTX 660M and i must stick to vesa...
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<VeritonM6610GFox>
Ah yes, the good old Vision crashing when trying to connect to a server
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<VeritonM6610GFox>
Anyways, coming back to the topic of the graphics card, I ask since Haiku can only display up to 1280x800 with the generic VESA driver and it looks really bad on my monitor (which is 1400x900) and the text is almost unreadable
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Also, nephele , I'm JulianTheRedFox over on the community. If you want to, we can go into a DCC and talk things out there
<Ellenor>
a dcc, eh? this 1997?
<VeritonM6610GFox>
What did you expect? This is an IRC chat anyways
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<bjorkintosh>
if your communication tool is stuck in the '90s...
<bjorkintosh>
(and we like it that way)
<rf>
bjorkintosh, were you in the #plan9 channel on libera some months ago?
<bjorkintosh>
always.
<rf>
thought I remembered that nick
<bjorkintosh>
*gasp* am I famous??!
<rf>
iirc, you were coding your own OS or something?
<bjorkintosh>
no I was fooling about with emulith.
<bjorkintosh>
(in addition to plan9 and inferno)
<rf>
ah.. I guess I'm thinking of the other guy
<bjorkintosh>
emulith is the Modula-2 OS designed by Wirth et al.
<rf>
whose name escapes me now
<bjorkintosh>
phschafft is who you are forgetting from plan9
<rf>
right!
<rf>
how come both of you are here?
<bjorkintosh>
... with an OS project.
<bjorkintosh>
'cause we like the finer OSes.
<rf>
plan9 is nothing like.. well, haiku
<bjorkintosh>
rf: in a way, if you think about it as a type of vehicle, we're talking fine 4 wheeled car, vs fine motorcycle.
<bjorkintosh>
they're not alike, but each category has fine specimens.
<rf>
sure.. I guess they're just so.. different
<rf>
I mean, plan9 is such an odd little beast that even veterans are stumped when using it for the first time
<rf>
not so with haiku
<rf>
I can probably install this on my mother's laptop and she'd be fine with it :)
<bjorkintosh>
rf: veterans of what exactly?
<bjorkintosh>
I assure you the stump-ness comes from not learning it :-)
<rf>
computer veterans
<rf>
haiku is quite intuitive
<bjorkintosh>
by that you mean desktop WIMP veterans.
<bjorkintosh>
'cause I assure you, said veterans would be lost in front of a multics console.
<bjorkintosh>
even though it's really old.
<bjorkintosh>
or hell, and AS-400 console.
<rf>
sure.. I mean people who mainly use the desktop, yes
<rf>
but hell, even unix/linux guys are confused in front of plan9
<bjorkintosh>
not if they're used to the commandline.
<bjorkintosh>
yes, the installation and administration are different. but the commandline is close enough to posix to let one do what needs doing.
<bjorkintosh>
ed works, most of the commands (ls, mkdir etc) work...
<rf>
yes.. there's too many things that are so different, like namespaces..
<bjorkintosh>
of course.
<bjorkintosh>
otherwise it'd just be another implementation of unix.
<bjorkintosh>
it is not another implementation of unix.
<rf>
certainly not
<bjorkintosh>
which means, it has to be studied.
<rf>
I had a vision of using it on my desktop, but I gave that up quickly
<bjorkintosh>
did you take the time to learn how to use it first?
<bjorkintosh>
or did you assume you'd simply know it without learning it first because it had a commandline?
<rf>
I *am* using it, but it simply lacked the things I needed to be able to use it as a desktop..
<bjorkintosh>
this is why I used the motorcycle/car analogy. just because you know how to drive a car, doesn't mean you know how to drive a motorcycle.
<rf>
using it as a server.. it excels there, really
<rf>
it really lacks a good enough browser and a media play for my usage
<rf>
player
<bjorkintosh>
what else did you need it to do for you?
<rf>
that's almost it.. except the irc clients were sub-par.. and I really mean that.. I'm fine with text interface, but.. I was on ircnet and it filtered out some messages - I don't know why, but there was a bot that I never saw speaking, despite people doing !seen etc.. and people I know said things, but I never saw it
<rf>
I saw half the conversation
<bjorkintosh>
right.
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<bjorkintosh>
some tools are still rough around the edges and could do with some attention, just like on other obscure OSes.
<rf>
yeah
<rf>
I loved the concept of a program taking over the terminal, morphing it into a graphical program and there was no big difference.. normally each program opens up its own window, but not so in plan9
<rf>
that was one of those woah-moments
<bjorkintosh>
yes. I love fooling around in drawterm.
<bjorkintosh>
they say it's slow, but I'm not sure. haven't had an issue.
<bjorkintosh>
I also happen to like acme
<rf>
it's only slow over the internet, I hear
<rf>
on a lan it's fast enough
<bjorkintosh>
right. so I wonder how the fast ones are fast.
<rf>
once latency is introduced
<bjorkintosh>
when unix was created, GUIs were very rare, so they didn't really take that into account in the design. when Plan9 was created, GUIs were common, and so it was included in the design.
<bjorkintosh>
just as with Haiku.
<bjorkintosh>
it makes the whole system a lot more coherent.
<rf>
my laptop does seem very warm while running haiku though
<rf>
regardless if I disable cores or not
<bjorkintosh>
I wonder why.
<bjorkintosh>
what's it doing that it shouldn't?
<rf>
nothing - it seems idle
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Weird process names part two: Vision has a process called "gummi_bear_o**y" (insert "RG" in the place of the asterixes)
<rf>
it seems to me that the power management might not work, but I don't know how to see if that runs or not
<VeritonM6610GFox>
At least on my machine
<bjorkintosh>
profiling?
<rf>
there's no gummy_bear anything here
<bjorkintosh>
heh. I'm talking about the power usage, rf.
<rf>
bjorkintosh, oh.. I just meant that it seems to me that it doesn't reduce the speed, but instead runs on max regardless of what's happening
<rf>
top says there's 74% idle time currently, but the fans are running
<rf>
and the air coming out of it is quite hot
<bjorkintosh>
what programs are you running rf?
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<rf>
waterfox, vision.. and audacious
<nephele_mac>
Begasus[m]: have you tried the new linux from kde?
<bjorkintosh>
rf maybe one of those is the culprit.
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<nephele_mac>
VeritonM6610GFox: hi :) Unfortunately i don't have more tricks to try for your gpu issue
<nephele_mac>
I don't really know how the bios patching works exactly, afaik it depends on the memory layout of your bios and then this will insert modelines into it you can then select... this works because the bios is executed in a virtual machine (in i think 16bit mode?) by the OS, so we can patch it before we do that
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<VeritonM6610GFox>
I see
<HaikuUser>
it crashed
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<Habbie>
is VeritonM6610GFox's GPU not one we can easily hack in?
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Also, completely unrelated, the Vision has a really interesting process name
<Habbie>
ah, gtx 460
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Habbie, I don't know. I have a GTX 460 (1GB VRAM variant)
<nephele_mac>
Habbie: nvidia, so you could probably build one based on nouveau, since we only need modesetting
<Habbie>
well yes
<nephele_mac>
but not that easy or quick
<Habbie>
but i meant 'hack a pci id into something' ;)
<Habbie>
ok
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<Habbie>
and the shipped BIOS is incomplete resolution wise, i understand
<VeritonM6610GFox>
I see
<Habbie>
and our bios patcher is not catching on to the structure?
<nephele_mac>
how come Vision keeps crashing for you folks? maybe make a bug report? it almost never crashes for me
<VeritonM6610GFox>
Probably yea Habbie
<Habbie>
pity
<Habbie>
i wonder if a bios dump plus the right nerd plus time can fix -that- issue
<nephele_mac>
Habbie: on the forum they wrote that the new modeline appears and is selectable but not functioning corectly
<Habbie>
oh, pity
<Habbie>
that's, like, worse
<nephele_mac>
might be able to, if we have someone knowledgeable about it... so maybe make a ticket :)
<VeritonM6610GFox>
nephele_mac , I don't know. I might do a bug report next time it crashes. Tho, the interesting process name that I was mentioning was named "gummi_bear_o**y" XD
<VeritonM6610GFox>
(insert "RG" into the asterixes)
<rf>
bjorkintosh, something was wrong, I closed down waterfox and the mouse died - and now.. after the reboot - the fan is much calmer
<rf>
mouse and keyboard died
<bjorkintosh>
likely some js BS in waterfox?
<bjorkintosh>
the modern web is not kind to computers.
<nephele_mac>
VeritonM6610GFox: you could save the report and share it here if reporting the issue is too much work
<rf>
but it was vision that was taking the cpu according to top
<nephele_mac>
can understand not wanting to open stuff on github :)
<VeritonM6610GFox>
I see, and I will do that next time
<nephele_mac>
rf: in deskbar you can rightclick the process monitor to obtain that info, may be quicker than checking top
<rf>
yes, I know this - but my pad seems to have trouble with the right-clicking now, so I open a terminal and run top instead :)
<nephele_mac>
pad?
<rf>
but that has a very nice view of what's happening
<rf>
the laptop touchpad
<nephele_mac>
oh okay
<rf>
left click is fine, not sure what's going on with the right click one :/
<nephele_mac>
you can configure it as a 1 button mouse in setting and then you can use ctrl leftclick for a rightclick
<nephele_mac>
or maybe it is alt...
<rf>
oh
<rf>
interesting, when I swtiched it to a 1-button mouse, the second mouse button began to work again
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<nephele_mac>
that sounds suspicious
<rf>
I'm told that my thinkpad is the worst when it comes to the pad
<rf>
meaning, it's likely unusual, so the driver might not be catering to it
<Habbie>
"you guys have working touchpads" ?
<Habbie>
oops
<Habbie>
"you guys have working touchpads?"
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<Anarchos>
Habbie yes
<phschafft>
bjorkintosh: hu?
* phschafft
waves to rf.
<rf>
l
<rf>
hiya phschafft :)
<phschafft>
:)
<bjorkintosh>
phschafft: rf thought I was creating an experimental OS while in #plan9 but rf was mis-steaken.
<phschafft>
all good?
<phschafft>
bjorkintosh: ah. ok.
<bjorkintosh>
it was you.
<bjorkintosh>
so I mentioned you.
<phschafft>
I see.
<phschafft>
and... it's not experimental! ;)
<bjorkintosh>
well, experimental in the spirit of aviation.