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<scanty>
peer finally caught them.
<OscarL>
heh
<scanty>
oh hi OscarL
<OscarL>
Hi there, my man!
<scanty>
how are you feeling?
<OscarL>
bit of a good mood right at the moment, actually :-) Hope things are great on your end as well!
<scanty>
good to hear. i spent a few hours today cleaning up some Haiku code for my emulator.
<scanty>
and yes, things are prettty good.
<OscarL>
awesome. hard to believe code can get that dirty when we're looking elsewere! :-P
<scanty>
indeed. some of it involved updating for c++17
<scanty>
redesigned the Menu
<scanty>
and then some other stuff i can't seem to remember.
<OscarL>
if it wasn't for commit logs... I would not be able to remember most of what I do either.
<OscarL>
Mmm, too bad life ain't got a "git shortlog" :-D
<scanty>
haha, yeah i definitely need to commit more often.
<OscarL>
"Commit often, perfect later" + "release early, release often" might not be bad advice after all.
<scanty>
yeah.
<scanty>
wow, i am listening to an album i haven't heard since probably 25 years.
<OscarL>
some tunes from the good old day? those can hit prett hard (in a good sense)!
<scanty>
yeah, i have a lot of records.
<OscarL>
nice. I used to have most things in cassette, still have a box of them somewere, but haven't had a cassette player in... 20+ years at this point, I guess :-/
<scanty>
i worked a while for a record shop doing their online inventory. it was using FoxPro on a VM what a disaster.
<OscarL>
Ah! FoxPro! I remember doing "forms" in the earlier dBase III+ :-)
<scanty>
haha
<scanty>
do you feel my pain?
<OscarL>
absolutely.
<OscarL>
I had to run away from a job offer involving BIG FoxPro dbs :-D
<scanty>
i told them i would design them a new system in php/mysql and they didn't want to update
<OscarL>
(around 2005)
<scanty>
their server was onsite, in a keyboard draw
<scanty>
drawer*
<scanty>
and of course while i was working on it, the desk colapsed.
<scanty>
drawer colapsed rather.
<scanty>
it gets better.
<scanty>
i was on the phone with the boss at the time
<OscarL>
"system just imploded onto itself" sounds like FoxPro.
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<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] i think the sparc port is dead : the change to musl (not available on sparc), and gcc_syslibs_devel-8.3.0_2019_05_24-2 not compatible with gcc13. That makes me unable to work on it
<x512[m]>
HaikuPorts checksum error.
<Begasus[m]>
maybe kallisti5 could have a look, doubt that there is gcc but not gcc_syslibs, they should come from the same source?
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] no my gcc is a cross compiled one with "./configure --build-cross-tools'
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] that is the build/jam/repositories/HaikuPorts/sparc file which contains outdate dependency on syslibs_devel. Unfortunately, haikuports does'nt build for sparc
<x512[m]>
Begasus: Only for me?
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<Begasus[m]>
x512 checksum error? haven't checked, worked on update this morning
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<Begasus[m]>
but I'm running R1B5, so no system packages for me
<nekobot>
• Begasus (34a085f9): exiv2, bump to 0.28.5 (#12730)…
<Begasus[m]>
Looks like buildmasters are having problems reconnecting also :(
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<Begasus[m]>
reminder: don't set image path for digiKam to /boot/home :P
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<OscarL>
"morning", Begasus[m]! /me still trying to wake up (13:45 here, heh).
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<OscarL>
I saw that checksum error on 64 bits, but later in the night was able to "pkgman install" stuff on 32 bits without issues.
<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: I think to get an updated gcc_syslibs package for sparc, you need to do a bootstrap build. I don't know how that works though.
<Anarchos>
jmairboeck ok i will look thanks
<jmairboeck>
I don't think you can build the gcc_bootstrap recipe from haikuports.cross directly.
<Anarchos>
jmairboeck let me take a decaffeinated coffee after my beach journey
<x512[m]>
jmairboeck: You can, but only using Linux.
<Anarchos>
x512[m] i have a linux parition so i can do it
<jmairboeck>
and there isn't even a gcc_bootstrap 13.3 yet (only up to 13.2)
<x512[m]>
You can search Haiku forum, it should be an instruction there how to build haikuports.cross.
<Anarchos>
jmairboeck ./configure build-cross-tools worked perfectly for gcc-13.3 sparc
<OscarL>
seeing that checksum error now too, but with a different value than what I saw last night, heh. servers are a bit cuckoo ATM it seems :-)
<Begasus[m]>
still no checksum error here
* Anarchos
don't know what to choose : begin a haiku bootstrap in a linux-sparc on qemu, or wait for someone more skilled to update the sparc branch ?
<Begasus[m]>
jmairboeck didn't want to look into opencv yourself? (if I remember the right package) :)
<OscarL>
spam bot on forum
<Begasus[m]>
s/didn't want/didn't you want/
<Begasus[m]>
again?
<OscarL>
flagged it, but better if more people do.
<Begasus[m]>
running a build for digiKam atm, so not going to check :P
<OscarL>
"Unlisted just now" maybe I caught it early enough and forum trusts me? :-)
<Begasus[m]>
current PR for opencv is missing: libopencv_signal
<OscarL>
(spam related to some airline)
<Begasus[m]>
ouch, now it's all lost .... :P
<jmairboeck>
no, never did opencv (yet)
<jmairboeck>
I think you mixed it up with opencascade
<jmairboeck>
and I haven't looked at that either yet
<Begasus[m]>
ok, no problem then jmairboeck , PR is fine except for the missing library
<Begasus[m]>
that was it :)
<OscarL>
we should try to avoid adding more version of opencv, unless the intent is replacing/updating one of the 2 we currently, have. fine, otherwise... :-(
<Begasus[m]>
a LOT of these in digiKam:[ 54%] Automatic MOC for ...
<Begasus[m]>
agreed OscarL
<Begasus[m]>
hence me checking it out, libwebp is also a requirement for digiKam
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL I think the old one is kept for backwards compatibility (seeing it doesn't provide a devel package)
<OscarL>
will run "pkgman search -r" for each of the libraries it provides, to see what still needs it.
<OscarL>
should have some script for that :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
not something I have installed here, no sign of the old one
<OscarL>
and... now I'll spent some time writing that, I guess. I nerd-sniped myself :-D
<Begasus[m]>
go for it! :)
<Begasus[m]>
biab, will let this build finish and check later
<OscarL>
mmm, sounds like maybe adding `--list-requirements` and `--list-provides` "modes" to `pkgman info` would be cleaner/faster than messing around .recipes and/or .dependencyinfo files.
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<OscarL>
made a poor choice starting this script in bash, instead of using python, lol. Enoughs "WTF, bash?!" for one day.
* OscarL
throws the towel, and goes to touch grass, or something.
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<PulkoMandy>
My hersonal rule is that if your bash script is longer than 5 lines, you should probably use another language
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<gordonjcp>
PulkoMandy: if you aren't writing it in assembler you haven't fully characterised the problem
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<phschafft>
em...
<cassettehead>
the only factor stopping me from being a dedicated haiku user is the instability of nfs
<cassettehead>
i do not have the skills to fix nfs i can just port stuff to haiku not drivers or network file systems sorry
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<kat67>
when im using iceweasel theres a black box under my cursor
<waddlesplash>
cassettehead: NFS4 is more stable on the nightlies. There also was a FUSE package which is more stable for NFS2 than the system driver I think
<waddlesplash>
kat67: known issue, tracked in the wayland layer.
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<kat67>
haiku uses wayland
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<cassettehead>
i shall use haiku tomorrow as my office music device getting its audio data via nfs4, playing via audacious
<KenjiUmino>
hi there
<kat67>
hello
<KenjiUmino>
how are you doin' today ?
<kat67>
good just playing around with my haiku install
<kat67>
I'm trying to see if theres any workarounds with some the problems Im having with my sound and wayland
<kat67>
both my USB headset and webcam dont work
<KenjiUmino>
you are running wayland on haiku ?
<kat67>
iceweasel uses it i think
<gordonjcp>
does usb audio work in Haiku yet?
<kat67>
my analog audo works
<kat67>
with no problem
<gordonjcp>
as in on-board probably Intel chipset audio?
<kat67>
but i dont have an analog headset waa
<KenjiUmino>
iceweasel uses wayland ? well that explains things ...
<kat67>
thats what waddlesplash told me
<waddlesplash>
not exactly
<waddlesplash>
it uses a wayland compatibility layer
<waddlesplash>
the GTK port specifically, so Iceweasel included
<kat67>
oh
<KenjiUmino>
by the way, what spreadsheet application (other than libreoffice calc) would you recommend ? especially on a small, low res netbook screen
<KenjiUmino>
or should I just go with libreoffice ... I have that on all my linux and windows machines already and no issues?
<kat67>
libreoffice is good it works with microsoft office docs too
<kat67>
me i would just go with that
<KenjiUmino>
then I think I'll go with that too ...
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<kat67>
some people here would dissagree with me but its libreoffice or go home in my opinon
<KenjiUmino>
I don't really know what else is out there ... been using libreoffice since way back when it was called "staroffice" ....
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<kat67>
theres openoffice but i think thats dead
<KenjiUmino>
yeah ... hence it got forked and renamed to LibreOffice ... it went StarOffice -> OpenOffice -> LibreOffice
<kat67>
yup
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<KenjiUmino>
I'm just testing out how much I can do with haiku right now ..
* phschafft
waves to erysdren.
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<kat67>
well you can do alot theres still some missing or broken drivers right now i think
<KenjiUmino>
yeah ... webcams for example ... and usb audio XD
<kat67>
yeah :D
<kat67>
but its getting there slowly
<KenjiUmino>
I've been checking on haiku on and of for a few years now ... it feels useable enough by now that I commited to installing it on an old netbook that I like to tinker around with every now and then ...
<kat67>
i made the mistake of putting it on my main desktop and now i cant get it off lol
<kat67>
because all of my usb sticks are cooked
<KenjiUmino>
oops ...
<kat67>
im gonna try to see if i can daily drive it anyway
<kat67>
and blog about it
<KenjiUmino>
well, I was just about to try if any of the available browsers work good enough by now so I can get on amazon and buy stuff
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<kat67>
iceweasel works pretty good but theres a few grafix bugs
<KenjiUmino>
yeah ... and it's SLOW
<kat67>
true
<KenjiUmino>
That netbook here only got an intel atom ... 2 cores / 4 threads of the finest potato performance ... and no graphics drivers to speak of .. so the CPU has to do all the pixel pushing as well
<kat67>
oof
<KenjiUmino>
it's doing quite alright given the circumstances ... I had manjaro XFCE running on that thing before putting haiku on it ...
<kat67>
yeah manjaro is a bit heavy for that
<KenjiUmino>
I think it is running a tad faster now, because haiku is just so lean
<kat67>
its super fast for me but thats because i have it on a beefy desktop
<kat67>
with an 8 core cpu
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<KenjiUmino>
manjaro wasn't too bad ... I should've tried Q4OS just for comparison ... had pretty interesting results running Q4OS on a pentium 3 back in 2022 or so .. didn'T suck as hard as I expected
<kat67>
and more ram than i know what to do with
<kat67>
Q4S is nice
<kat67>
i mean q4os
<KenjiUmino>
yeah ... I got a ryzen 7700 gaming rig with 32 gigs of RAM over in the other room that I could use if I wanted to ...
<kat67>
i should have kepted debian on mine
<kat67>
idk what i was thinking
<KenjiUmino>
classic case of "curiousity got the better of me", I'd say :-P
<kat67>
i was using debian 12 with gnome on it
<kat67>
and yes
<KenjiUmino>
I put haiku on a usb stick and tried it out for a bit before commiting ... that too worked surprisingly well, considering that this netbook only has usb 2.0 ...
<kat67>
the installer is really fast
<kat67>
like lighting fast idk how they did it
<gordonjcp>
there's not a lot to install
<kat67>
yeah true but even so
<kat67>
dats fast
<KenjiUmino>
how they did it ? well ... they took BeOS, straight from the '90s and made it work on modern hardware, but skipped adding all the bloat that other OSes have been loaded down with since the '90s ...
<gordonjcp>
it's actually a complete rewrite, but to the original spec
<gordonjcp>
well more-or-less
<kat67>
well that explains it
<gordonjcp>
although the original haiku source code is (I think) published it is not under a licence that allows it to be used the way that Haiku does
<KenjiUmino>
yeah ... it's not a carbon copy of BeOS ...
<KenjiUmino>
but still the most '90s OS running on modern hardware ... and thus almost as fast as operating systems used to be in the '90s ... I'm thinking windows NT/2000 and Mac OS 8/9
<KenjiUmino>
and linux has not gotten any lighter since 1999 either
<gordonjcp>
not desktop linux, no
<erysdren>
Haiku is definitely the most lightweight modern desktop OS i've ever tried (one that aims for having modern features i.e. web browsing and such)
<kat67>
yeah the linux kernel has gotten pretty bloated over the years
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