<Begasus[m]>
Habbie 6.9.0 isn't tested on 32bit here yet, and still some issue on the qt-multimedia with it, but takes one that actually could fix that, that aside, it works pretty well here on 64bit
<Begasus[m]>
6.9.1+ has even more changes to qtmultimedia that I couldn't solve
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<humdinger>
greetings!
<humdinger>
Are there issues with the latest LibreWolf under Beta5?
<humdinger>
Won't start for me:
<humdinger>
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /boot/system/apps/LibreWolf/libxul.so:
<humdinger>
Symbol not found
<humdinger>
Couldn't load XPCOM.
<Begasus[m]>
moin
<Begasus[m]>
don't have it installed here
<humdinger>
salutations!
<humdinger>
downgraded to previous version works.
<humdinger>
ticket coming up
<Begasus[m]>
installing ....
<Begasus[m]>
launching fine here
<humdinger>
beta5?
<Begasus[m]>
yep R1B5 64bit
<humdinger>
hmm. waiting with the ticket then...
<Begasus[m]>
my system isn't the usual install though :)
<Begasus[m]>
so maybe file that ticket and see if someone else suffers the same?
<humdinger>
bet it's chuck full of stuff you built/tested.. :)
<Begasus[m]>
and beyond :D
<humdinger>
will do. need to run some errands now first.
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<Begasus[m]>
+1
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<nephele_mac>
hi Begasus[m]
<Begasus[m]>
hi nephele_mac
<Begasus[m]>
got Haiku running on the mac?
<nephele_mac>
yes, this is a macmini from 2012 or 2014 or something, have it at someone elses house and can use haiku there, as a consequence one of the few actual beta5 installs i have :D
<nephele_mac>
Begasus[m]: have you seen "KDE Linux"?
<Begasus[m]>
the OS?
<nephele_mac>
yes
<Begasus[m]>
not really no, I know it's a wip for now
<nephele_mac>
ah, i figured it could be cool for you to test against
<Begasus[m]>
got endouvor(?) installed on another laptop
<nephele_mac>
I tried it, unfortunately plasma shell would crash immidiently... the log suggests something may be amis with timezones but i couldn't get it to work
<Begasus[m]>
but I hardly boot it :D
<nephele_mac>
so got debian not-yet-13 instead
<Begasus[m]>
state of the art also latest Debian :)
<Begasus[m]>
I hear the most possitive things with Fedora and KDE/Plasma
<nephele_mac>
hmm, this is a macmini 2012
<nephele_mac>
it has more ram than my "M2" Macbook from 2022
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<nephele_mac>
upgradeable ram? who needs that... shitty company :)
<Begasus[m]>
if it was more affordable/configurable ...
<nephele_mac>
their justification for needing this to have shared video and normal ram is crappy considering notebooks have done that for years with apus with upgradeable ram
<Begasus[m]>
maybe more people would use it
<nephele_mac>
yeah, at this point the hardware is still "OK" from like specs and functionality, but repairability and upgradeability is pretty bad... but this seems similar to many modern laptops
<Begasus[m]>
hmm ... still some error in the recipe ...
<nephele_mac>
atleast the software is better than windows :P
<Begasus[m]>
correcct
<nephele_mac>
but then, we have haiku, so that is a moot point.
<Begasus[m]>
this one needs to be completely stripped from case before accessing the internals
<Begasus[m]>
:D
<nephele_mac>
I have one laptop from 201X something where you have to connect the keyboard cable below the mainboard while putting it back in the case
<nephele_mac>
very difficult .-.
<Begasus[m]>
not very handy indeed
<nephele_mac>
When i am back home i'll try adding adblocking to webkit2
<nephele_mac>
Easiest way to get massive performance gains ;)
<Begasus[m]>
extention?
<nephele_mac>
no
<Begasus[m]>
the rust package?
<nephele_mac>
No
<Begasus[m]>
;)
<nephele_mac>
It's build in functionality
<nephele_mac>
much faster then any webextension
<Begasus[m]>
not activated atm then?
<nephele_mac>
yeah
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<nephele_mac>
it's not enabled in the build for webkit2
<Begasus[m]>
one of the reasons I switch browser
<nephele_mac>
and we need a filterlist
<nephele_mac>
fortunately gnome web has one, maybe we can use that
<Begasus[m]>
Angelfish can use the rust one as a plugin, but that's still on KF5
<nephele_mac>
Well, we don't need a rust plugin *shrug*
<Begasus[m]>
tss :P
<nephele_mac>
I want to build my game again in ziglang
<Begasus[m]>
I guess nielx is very busy IRL, haven't seen much activity on rust for some time :)
<Begasus[m]>
think I fiddled a bit with zig, but gave up
<nephele_mac>
nielx is around... i think he spends most of his haiku time on maintenance
<nephele_mac>
well, zig already has support for haiku in parts
<Begasus[m]>
iirc it still failed to finish building here, been a while though
<nephele_mac>
in the "generic unix" sense. Could probably add support to it for haiku specific parts like ports or decoding BMessages
<Begasus[m]>
way out of my skills level :D
<nephele_mac>
You don't have to do everything on your own fortunately :)
<Begasus[m]>
right! :)
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<Begasus[m]>
doing my thing, poking around where needed, help out where possible, that's enough :P
<nephele_mac>
i'll join their irc when home... last time i used zig i started decoding binary files with it, that was actually quite doable and fun
<Begasus[m]>
even got one of the KDE devs doing a fix for a small app that's not even released yet (fix for Haiku) :)
<Begasus[m]>
nice!
<nekobot>
• Begasus (a625e7b9): ffmpegthumbs, new recipes for KF5/KF6 (#12651)
<Begasus[m]>
going over the "actual" gear25.08 list reveals some parts that weren't here yet
<Begasus[m]>
like this plugin, reveals previews for video files in Dolphin for instance
<nephele_mac>
You can install kde4 on windows
<Begasus[m]>
no need for kde4 on windows :)
<nephele_mac>
are you plotting to put plasma on haiku :?
<Begasus[m]>
nah
<Begasus[m]>
already mentioned upstream that plasma isn't going to happen on Haiku
<nephele_mac>
heh
<nephele_mac>
did someone ask?
<Begasus[m]>
well, they asked which WM we use :)
<nephele_mac>
"No"
<nephele_mac>
I wonder actually, some of the deps for KDE implement functionality like say... notifications and stuff like that, how native are those deps?
<Begasus[m]>
came accross something for that yesterday
<Begasus[m]>
notifications is still a bit of a pain
<nephele_mac>
if those have kde deps some layers down we could like write a smaller direct-to-haiku api bridge and make porting easier like that
<Begasus[m]>
removed the notifications directory for Tokodon while building
<Begasus[m]>
otherwise it crashes for when with a notification
<nephele_mac>
if you can point me to which dep exactly this does we might be able to add a haiku easier backend or something, and get rid of the implicit dbus and other stuff it wants to pull in on Linux
<Begasus[m]>
I guess the first place to look would be knotificattions?
<nephele_mac>
hmm, seems a bit complex :)
<Begasus[m]>
if it was easy to tackle it would have been done :)
<Begasus[m]>
but I think it's already mentioned at their bugtracker
<nephele_mac>
heh, maybe i will take a look next week. see ya ;)
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<Begasus[m]>
cu
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<rf>
phschafft, I lost the backlog, what was the gist of my comment?
<rf>
about the latency?
<Habbie>
Begasus[m] understood :)
<phschafft>
rf: you touches a number of points, but the one that got me thinking was about integration between text and non text data, as well as the relation beteen windows and applications.
<Begasus[m]>
getting errors on qtmultimedia on 32bit: inlining failed in call to 'always_inline'
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<phschafft>
huch.
<Begasus[m]>
gesundheit :)
<phschafft>
that sounds a bit like maybe the code does do some checks to figure out optimisation and maybe those checks all fail and there is no generic handler or something left.
<phschafft>
just a guess also based on the package name ;)
<phschafft>
youth is a gift that is easly lost. and wisdom is a gift that is hard to find. most people with loose the first and never find the second. be happy if you have at least one of them.
<Begasus[m]>
I'd like to think I'm somewhere in the middle, although it can shift one way or the other depending ... :)
<phschafft>
:)
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<ThinkPadR40Fox>
Hello everyone yet again
<ThinkPadR40Fox>
How's everyone doing this evening?
<Begasus[m]>
so far so good here
<Begasus[m]>
you?
<ThinkPadR40Fox>
That's good
<ThinkPadR40Fox>
I'm doing fine, just sitting here and chatting with people not only here
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<scanty>
good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
<Begasus[m]>
'lo scanty :)
<scanty>
hi there Begasus[m], how's the Qt stuff coming along?
<Begasus[m]>
ⓑ ... neat, now I'm ⓑegasus
<Begasus[m]>
:D
<Begasus[m]>
so far so good scanty , 32bit has problems building 6.9.0, but that's not prior :)
<scanty>
i see. i have been able to compile my NES emulator in 32-bit. all i had to do was change two lines in the Makefile
<scanty>
works pretty well on my laptop
<scanty>
fullscreen video notwithstanding.
<Begasus[m]>
can't have it all? :)
<scanty>
indeed.
<scanty>
i know my laptop can do 640x480x8, but not BWindowScreen, which, is hard to debug.
<scanty>
works fine here on my PC.
<Begasus[m]>
needs an expert then
* Begasus[m]
looks around ....
<scanty>
yeah, i need to talk to a dev familiar with the GameKit.
<Begasus[m]>
food, bbl :)
<bbjimmy>
gimp-3.0.4-1-x86_64.hpkg won't install, Failed to extract "settings/gimp/3.0/gimprc" from "gimp-3.0.4-1-x86_64.hpkg" : General system error ()
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<bbjimmy>
Begasus[m] ^
<Anarchos>
hello
<nipos>
Today I tried debugging Fish shell on Haiku,because the hangs when a command ends make it unusable.First I tried using attaching the native Debugger to my self-build fish binary.The funny thing is that fish works perfectly fine and reliable when the Debugger is running,but not without it.
<nipos>
I found the suggestion to build with -fsanitize=undefined or -fsanitize=address to get more info on the issue.Tried the first,but now running the build fish binary results in: runtime_loader: /boot/system/lib/libubsan.so.1.0.0: Could not resolve symbol 'dl_iterate_phdr'
<nipos>
Can't find any useful information on that issue now.Anyone here knows what to do?
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<Ellenor>
ope... they left
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<Begasus[m]>
probably an issue with pkgman or HD?
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<Ellenor>
HaikuUser, welcome back!
<Ellenor>
ough
<Ellenor>
crashy Vision
<Ellenor>
is there hexchat for haiku?
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<Ellenor>
hello again HaikuUser
<Ellenor>
there is a known bug in Vision currently which means that sometimes it crashes for some reason
<moparisthebest>
there is Renga for Haiku, and you can join IRC channels via biboumi
<Begasus[m]>
eeps
<HaikuUser>
I was just about to ask if it was normal for it to crash on some interactions
<Begasus[m]>
or matrix if you have an account
<nipos>
Maybe try Konversation,the KDE IRC client.It's available on HaikuDepot
<Begasus[m]>
there's that too :)
<scanty>
vision has a lot of issues, but i don't think anyone is actually working on it.
<HaikuUser>
man
<nipos>
I'm personally using the XMPP bridge and I'm really happy with it,but not expecting anyone to register an XMPP account only to join a IRC room :D
<scanty>
i am currently using Konversation.
<Begasus[m]>
weechat (terminal)
<Begasus[m]>
pkgman search "irc client"
<HaikuUser>
there's just Vision awesom
<scanty>
konversation is in HaikuDepot (i just checked) you can use that if you have problems with vision.
<HaikuUser>
what is HaikuDepot I'm new
<HaikuUser>
nevermind I found out
<Begasus[m]>
k, checked 2 installs for GIMP, no problems here
<scanty>
seen OscarL lately?
<Begasus[m]>
running it in qemu isn't really an option though :P
<Begasus[m]>
not in the channel, he commented a few times this week in the forum
<Begasus[m]>
k, let's build this neochat 25.07.90
<scanty>
i see.
<scanty>
hope that's not the date.
<Begasus[m]>
last rc before 25.08 release :)
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<Begasus[m]>
scanty it is, using US date format :P
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<amedeo463>
okay
<scanty>
i have to figure out how to setup git on that laptop.
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<amedeo463>
finally I managed to get it working
<amedeo463>
(Konversation)
<Begasus[m]>
pkgman install cmd:git ? :P
<Begasus[m]>
should at least get you started :)
<Begasus[m]>
ok, still alive :)
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
<Begasus[m]>
closing down here
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<nephele_mac>
just missed Begasus[m], darn
<nephele_mac>
Ellenor: if vision crashes for you please submit a bug report on haikuarchives...
<amedeo463>
okay you know what, I'm installing haiku so I can contribute better to this (awesome) community
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<amedeo463>
okay so apparently there's Waterfox but not Firefox on Haiku? That's quite new to me
<nipos>
We're not allowed to call it Firefox due to trademark restrictions
<amedeo463>
hmmmmm I see
<nipos>
Iceweasel is essentially Firefox,but LibreWolf and Waterfox have better privacy standards,so I strongly recommend using one of those
<nephele_mac>
if you want to call it firefox you aren't allowed to tamper with default settings, like analytics reporting...
<amedeo463>
ha well, I would have used Waterfox anyway
<nephele_mac>
If you want? I'll stick with webpositive ;)
<amedeo463>
is Webpositive normally unable to play youtube vids or is it probably just my live env I'm chatting from?
<nephele_mac>
I don't care about youtube so i never investigated that, but in general html5 media playback is not available currently in haikuwebkit, you can use qmplay2 insteadf
<amedeo463>
oh so that's why
<nephele_mac>
the "live" env is not really different to a normal installation
<amedeo463>
so I could
<amedeo463>
oops sent by accident
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<Habbie>
checking for include/openssl/ssl.h in /boot/system/develop... no
<Habbie>
this configure script is not very flexible it seems
* ThinkPadR40Fox
is sitting in a dumb fox box
<nephele_mac>
> [ 73%] Running zig1.wasm to produce /boot/home/proj/zig/build/compiler_rt.c
<nephele_mac>
oooh
<nephele_mac>
how much more will it do :D
<Ellenor>
ThinkPadR40Fox, hopefully it's comfy?
<ThinkPadR40Fox>
Yep
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<Skipp_OSX>
it makes the window shorter that's why
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX sure, but button is now hidden you have to guess it is in the drop-down...
<Skipp_OSX>
yep but infrequently used
<Anarchos>
And is there a way for /boot/home/config/settings/deskbar/menu to show the blue folders 'Applications / Demos/ Desktop Applets / Preferences' too, as non modifiable ?
<Skipp_OSX>
like a second menu option?
<Skipp_OSX>
well third technically
<Skipp_OSX>
... no there is not
<Anarchos>
my folder /boot/home/config/settings/deskbar/menu is empty, which is counter-intuitivte with the deskbar menu having at least 4 blue folders.
<Skipp_OSX>
agreed
<Skipp_OSX>
I suppose we could symlink them but there's no way to show they are uneditable
<Habbie>
if a program insist on dropping privs from root to something else, should i patch out the check, or just tell it to drop to 'user'?
<Skipp_OSX>
tell it to drop to baron
<Habbie>
that user does not exist
<Anarchos>
Habbie baron was the default user before shredder or user.
<Habbie>
i believe that
<Habbie>
but that does not help me today
<Skipp_OSX>
I guess that has change to user
<Skipp_OSX>
I liked baron but oh well
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX i like those little human things in software, like the haiku error messages in Net+, or the default user named baron instead of the boring 'user'
<Anarchos>
oh and did i mention the 'wonderful' Walter icon ?
<Anarchos>
:)
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<Habbie>
is 'find /boot/system/data/mime_db/application/' supposed to throw a bunch of errors?
<Habbie>
oh maybe this is related to pkgman insisting i really should reboot
<Habbie>
yeah that did it
<Habbie>
haiku_loader.bios_ia32 (and all those files erroring in the find call) also stopped showing ??? in ls -al now
<Habbie>
is that a packagefs bug?
<Habbie>
ohh. and the binary i expected to show up after a pkgman install also is here now
<Habbie>
it's like packagefs gets half-stuck after a haiku* update
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<HaikuUser>
Hello everyone
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<TravelMate5720Fox>
How's everyone doing tonight?
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