<Begasus[m]>
only when RAM usage is on the roof here (beta5)
<Peppersawce>
Happens pretty often on dev versiosn
<neoncortex>
Peppersawce: yes, that is precisely what is happening here, time to time.
<Peppersawce>
Afaik it's related to some work that's been done on Tracker recently
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<Begasus[m]>
ok, good enough for me now (kept me busy for over a week (in between other things)) :)
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<Peppersawce>
Now time to test AssaultCube? :D
<Peppersawce>
J/k
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<Begasus[m]>
-- SHIBOKEN_PYTHON_INCLUDE_DIRS computed to value: '/packages/python3.10-3.10.17-1/.self/develop/headers/python3.10' :)
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<neoncortex>
also, while running the system, sometimes the cache get really big. Not sure if this is an issue. I close the programs, but the cache stays.
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<neoncortex>
there is really no way to clear the system resources? If you insist, after it gets full, the system freezes, because there is no more ram.
<neoncortex>
yes. When I use the system for a time, the 'cache and system resources' thing get full, and then I have no more ram. That is because memory leaks I guess, probably in iceweasel.
<neoncortex>
then, eventually, the system will freeze.
<avanspector[m]>
what's the correlation between system threads and POSIX threads on haiku?
<avanspector[m]>
They are seemingly part of the same libroot library, so I kinda interested in where is this fine line between system specific API and posix/libc API starts
<Begasus[m]>
that's one for the main devs :)
<Begasus[m]>
keep in mind that it is easter weekend, maybe not all will be around
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<phschafft>
neoncortex: never seen that before.
<phschafft>
but maybe someone in here knows about the freezes.
<phschafft>
just means I don't know any solution for you.
<neoncortex>
oh. That's fine.
<phschafft>
after learning to count with bill gates, learning the alphabet with unix: atime, ctime, mtime, and now new btime!
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<Begasus[m]>
iceweasel and derivitas(?) are known to consume RAM (even if they don't show)
<Begasus[m]>
have been running into OOM when building not so large projects with one of them open
<Begasus[m]>
biab, reboot (clearing cashe for LLVM19 build) :P
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<phschafft>
hm,
<phschafft>
.
<pol>
hi, I'm not using Iceweasel but memory should free after closing application. Make sure there are no processes related to
<Begasus[m]>
re
<pol>
iceweasel in Threads and CPU usage @ProcessController. On your screenshot most of the memory is in violet and some is in blue. This could also mean something..
<neoncortex>
I have no idea, to be honest =D
<neoncortex>
I'm supposing the violet meter is cache.
<neoncortex>
I will sleep a little. I have something else to do later. So, for now, it is like this xD
<pol>
On other systems RAM is freed as you close the tab
<Begasus[m]>
sometimes it's a mix here, CPU speed at max, CPU usage very low "and" RAM usage peaking
<Begasus[m]>
so I tend to keep an eye on things when building stuff :)
<pol>
Trying to use WebPositive as much as I can, and it's the fastest. There are always other computers with different architectures and systems for heavy browsing.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, Web+ is my nr1 here also
<Begasus[m]>
if only using github would work better (but that's the same for any of the browsers out there (if they don't crash the tab))
<pol>
Isn't web+ not WebPositive? You refer to epiphany?
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<pol>
Have you tried fixproxy + webpositive on haiku? It's slimming down those github pages.
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<pol>
I haven't tested it much but for browsing and downloading it looks like it works.
<Begasus[m]>
Web+ = WebPositive (used to narrow some typing) :)
<Begasus[m]>
Hi jmairboeck
<Begasus[m]>
haven't tried that pol
<Begasus[m]>
how does that work?
<waddlesplash>
avanspector[m]: all threads are pthreads
<waddlesplash>
meaning, you can always get a valid value from pthread_self()
<Begasus[m]>
ah Mr. waddlesplash in tha house :)
<waddlesplash>
yeah, for a bit anyway. Then back to other things until Monday at least :)
<Begasus[m]>
/boot/system/develop/tools/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/13.3.0/../../../../x86_64-unknown-haiku/bin/ld: NOTE: This behaviour is deprecated and will be removed in a future version of the linker
<Begasus[m]>
although clang itself doesn't trip over it, some other sources do ...
<Begasus[m]>
rrr, no was the other one
<McCall[m]>
x512: I've documented and tried what I thought I needed to do, to get Haiku running on the SF VF2 here: https://gist.github.com/andymccall/5215420d97812ad33edd7b5645233254 however, I don't get anything booting. Do you know if the latest build works on the VF2? If it does, do you see anything in those instructions that look off?
<x512[m]>
McCall: Sorry, I am currently focused on other things (Nvidia driver). It need extra U-Boot settings to boot Haiku. Maybe I will retest and write instructions tomorrow. If not, please remind me after week.
<McCall[m]>
Yes, sorry to disturb you. I'll go through the forum posts and see if I can find anything.
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<McCall[m]>
Ah, I think I see. SD card booting isn't supported. I'll need to dd to the nvme to boot from that, and set the uboot settings to use the nvme. I've got a path to go on at least!
<scanty>
hm. seems to be a kde/qt app for everything.
<Begasus[m]>
oh yeah ;)
<Begasus[m]>
so far 149* gear24 recipes, not counting the ones that are not included in the gear cycle
<scanty>
wow seriously?
<Begasus[m]>
in the repo* (also not counting the local ones) :P
<scanty>
i hope you have a big hard drive.
<Begasus[m]>
1TB, 300GB for Haiku :)
<Begasus[m]>
well 100GB for Haiku, 200 for data
<scanty>
oh that's modest, considering all the work you do.
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<Begasus[m]>
I do have to cleanup once in a while though :D
<Begasus[m]>
un/installed LLVM versions a few times, takes up some space also
<scanty>
i recently moved my "home" directory from my debian install so i could have all my stuff on haiku. about 250GB, not too bad, it took a while though,
<nekobot>
• Begasus (5020c5e3): kdiff3, bump to 1.12.2, switch to KF6 (#12211)
<Begasus[m]>
beats tackling with USB :)
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<Habbie>
yes
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<Habbie>
but, that's just the image conversion. after that, i need to write it to usb, which takes forever
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Begasus[m]>
if I need to do that I boot into windows, etcher is pretty fast there
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<scanty>
i used etcher on linux.
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<scanty>
very cool app.
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<Begasus[m]>
straightforward, no fuzz, me likes that too :)
<scanty>
yep. simple, too.
<scanty>
just the way i like it.
<Begasus[m]>
switched NeoChat to master :)
<scanty>
so, i decided to copy some files over from haiku onto my linux ext4 partition, and managed to corrupt the filesystem. i had to run fsck manually, and my xfce install broke. i don't have the patience to fix it.
<Begasus[m]>
woo!
<Begasus[m]>
+t
<Begasus[m]>
been there scanty :/
<scanty>
thankfully i can do everything i need to do on haiku now.
<Begasus[m]>
lost a gazilion of pictures from the dogs back then
<scanty>
aww :(
<FreeFull_>
It's probably better to have a separate partition just for data exchange
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<scanty>
i've had data loss before... you just have to make backups periodically
<scanty>
some things have redundant backup here.
<FreeFull>
Maybe a FAT32 formatted USB stick
<FreeFull>
Although haiku does ext4 and btrfs too
<Begasus[m]>
create a virtual BFS disk in Haiku, mount that and backup on there :)
<scanty>
i keep a usb stick on my keychain with some personal info in case i wind up in hospital, for example. but i also carry a copy of my resume, and some music.
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<Begasus[m]>
no need for a resume here anymore scanty :P
<scanty>
really?
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<Begasus[m]>
retired, I can annoy you all day now :D
<scanty>
oh... sorry i misread. by 'here' i thought you meant 'here in Belgium', and not 'here' as in You.
<scanty>
:-)
<Begasus[m]>
:)
<scanty>
now then, where is OscarL?
<Begasus[m]>
unplugged? ;)
<scanty>
i guess rates are high now maybe.
<scanty>
i think he pays per MByte
<Begasus[m]>
yeah he does :/
<scanty>
there needs to be a better solution. i'm willing to donate if we can get something for him
<Begasus[m]>
I'm guessing the main problem is to get the donation up to him
<scanty>
yeah.
<scanty>
i'll find out how much $$ he needs to get a good basic internet connection, and go from there.
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<scanty>
hooray, my first +1 :-)
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<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Habbie>
aw. raw image also does not boot
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<scanty>
this bug makes me want to bang my head on the table... maybe it'll turn me into a coding savant, and i can actually fix this code....
<Begasus[m]>
go for it! :)
<Begasus[m]>
I'm closing down here
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
<scanty>
haha, OK Begasus[m]
<scanty>
good to see you.
<scanty>
have a pleasant evening.
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<Habbie>
good news! maketinybootable takes me from a grub error to a hard reboot
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<Habbie>
so now i feel quite certain that it's the haiku bootloader itself that is unhappy
<Habbie>
(this is after dd'ing the raw image to a partition)
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<scanty>
Habbie: i'm still here, i just can't help you with you problems.
<scanty>
your problems*
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<Habbie>
scanty, thanks, i'll just puzzle on. definitely don't feel obliged to jump in unless you happen to have an idea :)
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<Habbie>
another datapoint: freedos boots (until it tries to find the disk it came from)
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<Habbie>
a much more interesting datapoint: freedos works until an app tries to be full screen in the 'wrong' way
<Habbie>
suggesting that 'vga' limitations are real here
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