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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5020c5e391a4...92413b58b14d
<nekobot> • OscarL (92413b58): python3.13: update to version 3.13.3. (#12213)
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<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
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<nekobot> • Begasus (95b0937a): rapidjson, bump to latest commit (#12214)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/92413b58b14d...95b0937afcac
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<nekobot> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/95b0937afcac...2e688f585af3
<nekobot> • Powerm1nt (2e688f58): openjdk18: new recipe (#12188)
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<nephele> Hello and good day
<phschafft> mau nephele.
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2e688f585af3...99e8f161fa46
<nekobot> • Begasus (99e8f161): opentimelineio, new recipe for version 0.17.0 (#12215)…
<nephele> Mail, agent, user!
<Begasus[m]> howdy :)
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<nephele> hi Begasus[m]
<Begasus[m]> hi nephele
<nephele> Begasus[m]: The user on the forum has a bit of a point, I'ts a bit sad that we have so many ports, but many of them crash or don't work frequently
<Begasus[m]> got a bit carried away this morning on the wine topic :)
<nephele> makes for a frustrating new user experience
<Begasus[m]> well, you mentioned NeoChat crashes, I still have to experience those
<nephele> I can't use any matrix software properly on Haiku begasus
<nephele> NeoChat, even if it ran, can't post in one of the rooms I have
<nephele> and quaternion still has color issues
<Begasus[m]> using quaternion at the moment
<nephele> next month there is another xmpp sprint
<nephele> So can use that oportunity to connect with some xmpp devs :)
<Begasus[m]> +1
<Begasus[m]> I could push this patch for the colors, but as I mentioned, the topic banner looks weird (not that it should stop it's working
<nephele> I can't comment, you wrote about it on matrix and i cant really see that... maybe on the phone running postmarket
<Begasus[m]> or maybe re-instate neochat 23.08.5?
<nephele> that's the only device i can properly view matrix on
<nephele> but even there clients are sluggish and wierd to use
<nephele> Just don't know any really good matrix clients .-.
<phschafft> nephele: use it to add a new extention for formatting. extra points for it adding a lot of complexity by doing something totally unrelated as well. like text colours are transmitted encrypted while the text is not. ;)
<nephele> Somehow, nothing matches the experience of an irc client with just text lines you know?
<nephele> phschafft: Well, the consensus seems to be "stop deprecating the xhtml spec" with the devs i've talked to
<Begasus[m]> quaternion comes pretty close
<nephele> so if that is done, that would probably be the best idea
<nephele> Begasus[m]: sure okay, that is also the reason i stayed on matrix a lot. But, quaternion also has issues with scrolling and such sadly. or slow message speeds etc.
<phschafft> nephele: 'stop' and 'deprecating' should not come close together.
<Begasus[m]> nephele: that's kinda a matrix thing I think
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<Begasus[m]> scrolling can be bogus on any matrix client
<nephele> phschafft: huh?
<nephele> phschafft: as far as i know the issue was using html because "bad" clients just paste that into a normal html renderer and not sanitize it.... But then again using $format quickly leads to someone, just converting it to html anyway
<nekobot> • Begasus (cd92f03b): kdenlive_kf6, bump to (disabled still) 25.04.0 (#12216)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/99e8f161fa46...cd92f03b946d
<phschafft> nephele: I just think that de-deprecate something seems like a strange way of doing things.
<phschafft> plus, with all options cosindered. I ended up with using HTML fragments in a set of my projects as well.
<nephele> why does Guest13960 keep pinging me
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<phschafft> because that is a ghost of you?
<nephele> wdym?
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cd92f03b946d...95dff93396e0
<nekobot> • Begasus (95dff933): opentimelineio, revbump, fixes install paths for 32bit (#12217)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/95dff93396e0...1b738209415a
<nekobot> • Begasus (1b738209): plasma, bump basic frameworks to 6.3.4 (#12218)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1b738209415a...e946c6ee185b
<nekobot> • Begasus (e946c6ee): qt_creator, bump to 6.0.1 (#12219)
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<Begasus[m]> jmairboeck: tried searching for Tracker/Deskbar launch in the current patches?
<Begasus[m]> not sure it fixes (or even can), but sounds familiar reading the email
<jmairboeck> not yet, Begasus[m]
<jmairboeck> I now mostly reverted the changes and keep xasy in $commandBinDir for now without a deskbar symlink
<Begasus[m]> been a while since I had to use it, but shouldn't be too hard (if it applies) :)
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<scanty> good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night :-)
<Begasus[m]> Hi there scanty :)
<scanty> hi Begasus[m], how are you today?
<Begasus[m]> can't complain :)
<Begasus[m]> lazy Sunday* :)
<scanty> ah, that's good.
<scanty> yeah, definitely lazy sunday
<Begasus[m]> One of those KDE apps I'm not pushing into the depot :)
<scanty> looks good.
<scanty> wow you have a lot of stuff on your Desktop!
<Begasus[m]> pasting yt links in there works fine also
<scanty> cool
<Begasus[m]> most of them in use at one point scanty
<Begasus[m]> Assistent and Designer mostly to check on plugins/documentation
<scanty> i see. i dont' really have that much on my desktop, maybe a few text files, and some folders, but very minimal, i do a lot of work in terminal
<Begasus[m]> changes over time also :)
<scanty> indeed
<Begasus[m]> but I like to have things around when I need them without hustling to the list of installed packages in the Deskbar :P
<scanty> i agree.
<Begasus[m]> 119 items in Applications, whit 5 of them being submenu's :D
<scanty> brb
<scanty> wow that is a lot.
<scanty> i wish they could put apps into categories in the Deskbar menu, that follow what type of app it is kind of like how there are categories on HaikuDepot
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<Begasus[m]> k, time to tackle Dolphin
<Begasus[m]> yeah, it's been discussed for years scanty :)
<Begasus[m]> I got one for the KDE "nightly" builds :)
<scanty> oh, i didn't know that. personally, it is my opinion that it would be a good move to help organise the Deskbar
<scanty> my deskbar menu almost fills my screen
<Begasus[m]> there is a Deskbar Organizer on BeSly depot for that also
<scanty> ah, i'll look into that, i suppose.
<Begasus[m]> almost the screen size, that's not so bad :)
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<scanty> have a few web browsers
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<scanty> sometimes i have to ditch falkon and use waterfox, or similar
<scanty> just too bad about that mouse bug
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<Begasus[m]> right, using Falkon earlier to check on polygot, easier for logins
<Begasus[m]> IceWeasel mostly for some YT'n
<Begasus[m]> Sometimes LibreWolf
<scanty> i actually use falkon most of the time
<Begasus[m]> but mostly WebPositive :)
<scanty> and sometimes, one of the firefoxes
<Begasus[m]> QtWebengine has a thing with threads here (after beta5)
<scanty> ah
<scanty> i'm on regular beta5, thinking about going nightly, but not sure yet.
<Begasus[m]> regular beta5 here too
<scanty> my only complaint is problems with the FAT driver.
<scanty> takes forever to mount drive, and sometimes takes you tou KDL
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<Begasus[m]> jikes
<Begasus[m]> luckaly not having to deal with that here
<scanty> yeah
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<Begasus[m]> one patch down for Dolphin :)
<scanty> what is Dolphin?
<Begasus[m]> file manager
<scanty> ah]
<scanty> ah*
<Begasus[m]> handy here to check svg icons side by side
<jmairboeck> with the SVG translator installed, that should be possible with Tracker as well (but not in one window though)
<Begasus[m]> errr ... can't see the SVG translator in the recipes jmairboeck ?
<Begasus[m]> it's not installed here either
<Begasus[m]> or do you mean this one? NanoSVGTranslator
<Begasus[m]> that was it, thanks :)
<Aedil> 10C
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<Begasus[m]> eeps, the builders still got a long way to go for qtcreator :)
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<phschafft> ha, just did two releases (perl modules).
<scanty> people still use perl?
<scanty> i know a little bit from many years ago, then i thought it [perl] fell out of favour
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<Begasus[m]> you scared jmairboeck scanty :P
<Begasus[m]> jk *
<Begasus[m]> he's our perl master (amongst other things) :)
<scanty> is ResizeTo() zero-based?
<scanty> BWindow::ResizeTo(), more specifically.
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<Habbie> i wrote this note yesterday
<Habbie> * anyboot.iso converted to raw on partition - grub error `bios_ia32_stage1: Failed to load OS.`
<Habbie> and now i am reading haiku's boot loader sources
<Habbie> that error is not from grub! it is from the haiku loader!
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<Habbie> with DEBUG=1, it says 'bad superblock' (which is correct!)
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<Habbie> a comment in stage1.nasm says "; 1 enables more informative error strings, that shouldn't be seen by the normal user, though"
<Habbie> and my first response to that was: huh, of course i want to see them
<Habbie> but they then do lack the "press any key to reboot" bit
<PulkoMandy> I think stage1 ends up being too large
<Habbie> oh yes, adding 'press any key to reboot' while also having the five different strings won't fit
<PulkoMandy> That's why we had to do the unhelpful very short messages
<Habbie> yeah
<Habbie> i'm just saying the comment gives the wrong reason, i guess
<Habbie> or only half of the reason
<Habbie> with DEBUG=1 i think we have 7 bytes left to spare
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<HaikuUser> hello?
<HaikuUser> is anyone here?
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