00:02 <philipp64> too late now... I'm $600 into the hole with the WiFi 7 card (which only supports WiFi 6 if I've understood correctly) and 5G...

00:03 <philipp64> couldn't wait for the OpenWRT two to come out, and it wasn't clear it would have enough capabilities.

00:10 <russell--> philipp64: did you look at this at all? https://www.crowdsupply.com/traverse-technologies/ten64

01:45 <owrt-images-builds> Build [#31](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/images/#/builders/211/builds/31) of `openwrt-23.05_mvebu/cortexa9` completed successfully.

01:46 <philipp64> russell--: link doesn't want to open...

01:55 <dwfreed> $800, doesn't include RAM

01:56 <dwfreed> I know someone that has them, but I don't think they really make sense anymore

03:12 <russell--> RAM is cheap

03:13 <russell--> $699 is the price i'm seeing

04:56 <dwfreed> wait, what

04:56 <dwfreed> they're charging $100 for a power cord and a USB C cable

04:56 <dwfreed> wtf

04:58 <dwfreed> (also didn't notice that one says no longer available)

14:22 <SnakesAndStuff> I created a fresh build system and was getting failed builds. Upon further investigation I noticed: bash: line 1: go: command not found

14:23 <SnakesAndStuff> golang is not a listed dependency for the buildsystem. Does this need updating?

14:23 <SnakesAndStuff> openwrt.org/docs/guide-developer/toolchain/install-buildsystem

14:50 <owrt-images-builds> Build [#129](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/images/#/builders/153/builds/129) of `openwrt-24.10_mpc85xx/p1020` completed successfully.

18:31 <philipp64> dwfreed: so by the time you get NVMe, DRAM, WiFi, and 5G into it, you're looking at $1200 or so.

18:31 <dwfreed> exactly

18:31 <dwfreed> lot of money for something that is now 5 years old

18:32 <philipp64> _sigh_

18:32 <philipp64> So the BPi-R4 is still a better deal.

18:33 <philipp64> how much is a GPS receiver chip this days? surprised most router SBC's don't include one.

18:34 <minimal> why would people in general want most/all routers to include a GPS receiver?

18:35 <philipp64> hmmm... ublox is $14-30 single quantity. surface mount, 12 pads

18:35 <philipp64> for accurate time. there are more time-based DoS attacks out there than most people realize.

18:36 <philipp64> if I can leap your clock into another decade, then suddenly all of your X.509 certificates are invalid.

18:36 <minimal> most people probably do not care about accurate time, plus in many cases an external (to the building/apartment) antenna would be required

18:37 <minimal> NTP is sufficient in most situations

18:38 <pekster> A far less involved solution is to disable vanilla NTP and write a tiny script to query a service you can run on a VPS or even as a microservice that uses TLS to get the time, and set it. Without NTP's built-in correction for fairly high sub-second accurcy you might be off by a more notable amount (a good fraction of a second to even several) but the cryptographic security would likely meet your

18:38 <pekster> needs.

18:38 <minimal> or use NTS

18:47 <philipp64> NTPv5 has much better security.

18:48 <philipp64> We (NTF) didn't solve the group cohesion problem, however. Turns out that getting a rogue member of a pool to be discovered when it's lying about the time is a really hard problem.

18:49 <philipp64> well, auto-attestation in any case.

18:49 <philipp64> Ansuel: how is the libubox stuff looking?

21:44 <swalker> updated openwrt/upstream, https://sdwalker.github.io/uscan/index.html

21:53 <philipp64> swalker: I have a PR for Strongswan 6.0.1 in progress... waiting on Thermi to review it.