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djfe >
can anyone help us with CI? we want to fix the CI action that asks PR's to refresh patches for the Realtek Target but even though the pr only refreshes the patches (nothing else) the CI still fails for the same reason
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djfe >
Thanks in advance :)
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What is the average amount an OpenWrt developer would owe GitHub? I'm only helping test fixes and update a package here and there as well as backporting stuff. Nevertheless as of today this would sum up to $485 for this month already.
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goetz: Owe for what?
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robimarko >
I can tell you that I spend whopping 4USD
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slh >
There's been a time before github, in a world far before ou^w your time, apparently...
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robimarko >
Per month on GH, just so I can have private repos and that is it
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goetz >
GitHub changed there billing infrastructure and they are now clearly telling you how much you are spending and how much of a discount you get. Did you go to your billings page @robimarko?
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robimarko >
goetz: Yeah, and its still 4USD
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robimarko >
Unless they changed it like today
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robimarko >
Spending limit should be like 0USD anyway by default for Actions
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robimarko >
So no clue what they are charging you for
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robimarko >
Even free GH gives you 500MB of storage and 2000 actions minutes per month and then you need to change the limit from 0USD to keep it using
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goetz >
Currently they are charging me for my sponsorhips and such. Nevertheless the clearly show one now how much is consuming and how much this would cost.
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goetz >
If this is changed in the future and the allowance for public open source projects and repos would be capped or removed most developers would no longer be able to contribute.
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goetz >
That is my point. An OpenWrt GitHub org admin could lookup the spending for the whole project. Also everyone else could look themself and have a clue how much this would cost if it would not be discounted by GitHub so far.
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slh >
would it suck, sure, not the end of the world though
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slh >
you're almost making it sound like you'd need a paid subscription to download OpenWrt, build it or submit a patch
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goetz >
If it sounded to you like this, then this was not intentional.
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i'm at $1321 :D
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i also recently noticed they made the 'free/discounted' usage visible
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i don't have the feeling this means they intend to start charging for it though
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goetz >
Yes, I'm aware the git.openwrt.org is the main git repo, nevertheless the development workflow is currently mainly scoped and looked in to the github features with PR, Issues and CI.
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CI, issues, pull requests, etc. and all that is immensely useful, but the world was turning before all that new fangled fluff ;) and the things that really, really matter have alternative (even used as primary) deployments
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git.openwrt.org the mailing lists, asu/ owut and the buildbots don't use github
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Perfectly fine @slh. Fully support your statement. Nevertheless I wanted to create awareness.
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Speaking of asu, this is down since a week. Which really annoyes the average OpenWrt user looking at the forum posts.
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that's not to disregard what github can help with, it does make contributions (pull requests) beyond a circle of regular contributors easier. the CI can show obviously failing stuff easier, but none of that would be critical
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that would summarize /my/ very personal problem with the online imagebuilder, it makes things too easy, raises expectations that can't be met. it's an extremely costly service in terms of CPU/ disk/ traffic, which can easily be DDoS'ed (a fresh release by itself pushes the limits of real users already) - not to speak about the relatively wide attack surface, fostering a reliance on a service that by
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its nature is not as dependable as many might think
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... you could move that work to github actions
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goetz: GH sponsors projects like OpenWrt with 20 free actions runners
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So that is what we are using for all GH repos
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I doubt they are going to start charging open source projects anytime soon
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it's a great lock in
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Naturally, the only reason why anybody offers free tiers
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btw, for anybody that -does- have to pay for their github minutes, ubicloud is great
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@robimarko, yes I know nevertheless they are now showing you the amount which the accumulates for in a month. As you saw many highly relevant OSS projects got there funding remove the last couple of month, not from Microsoft though.
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robimarko >
Yeah, I saw that, whole FreeDesktop lost their hosting sponsorship
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robimarko >
We as OpenWrt dont rely on GH sponsorship, worst that happens in no more CI
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robimarko >
And we have to rework the openwrt/docker to not use GH
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Though if OSUSL shut down like there was a threat recently
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We would lack buildbot resources
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linusw >
maybe I managed to finally create a pull request, let's see...
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schmars[m] >
thanks, something on the matrix bridge was hanging since tuesday apparantly, my ping triggered some refresh/reload
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Habbie >
it triggered an actual join to the channel
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Habbie >
i use matrix for some other channels (but not this one) and i've had the same issue
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probably means no other people from the same bridge were joined here
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so no history for you
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schmars[m] >
very sad i apparantly missed the buildbot failures of four days :)
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can probably look those up?
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schmars[m] >
just kidding :)
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last thing i saw here was tuesday only full of buildbot messages
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