#asahi on 2025-07-17 — irc logs at oftc.catirclogs.org

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06:53 <the_eye> so, a thing that puzzles me (but maybe this is about Fedora in general, not asahi?): I open a terminal and run "sudo dnf upgrade", "flatpak update" as well as "snap refresh". Some updates are applied to some programs. All three programs tell me they're finished updating

06:54 <the_eye> I then open "discover" and hit the "refresh" button on the "updates" part

06:54 <the_eye> It tells me there are 99 packages to be updated in the "System upgrade" part (which I take to be rpms)

06:54 <the_eye> so .. why did dnf upgrade not do those?

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07:00 <JamesB192> How any of them are KDEs New Stuff? Discover pull in entries from KNS. I think it is about Fedora in general.

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07:03 <the_eye> not all of them, but most of them

07:04 <the_eye> counter-example is xxd. When I ran dnf upgrade, it got an update and that update is to version 9.1.1537-2.fc42. Discover wants to update it further to 9.1.1552-1.fc42. Running dnf upgrade again to be sure answers "nothing to do"

07:04 <JamesB192> I'm only partially right then. I've got nothing else.

07:04 <the_eye> another counter example is vim-minimal

07:05 <the_eye> (and other vim-related packages)

07:05 <the_eye> (xxd is vim-related too, I see)

07:05 <the_eye> all the not-vim ones are plasma, I just checked.

07:06 <the_eye> well anyway, very confused by the fact that apparently discover uses different sources from dnf?

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07:08 <the_eye> Ah found an answer

07:08 <the_eye> here a bit down on this site: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/dnf-update-and-discover/83926/5

07:09 <the_eye> running dnf upgrade is not enough in this case, I might be 6 hours behind what discover is showing me. To get to the same point I need to run dnf upgrade --refresh. Just did that and now it indeed shows me all the updates that are in discover

07:09 <the_eye> order is restored, I kinda understand what's going on again.

07:09 <the_eye> or at least I fool myself into thinking that I do

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07:28 <twb> Back in KDE5, "kde new stuff" stack was an entirely separate and mostly-never-used mechanism to download content within KDE apps

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07:29 <twb> so e.g. in kgeography, to download additional regional maps

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07:31 <twb> I agree with your analysis about needing --refresh to force an update more often than ~daily

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