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<f00b4r0>
gotta love Contabo. I report a routing problem, and they ask for my VPS root login to "further investigate". That's highly secure support if there ever was such a thing :P
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<Habbie>
contabo support is garbage. in fact contabo is garbage
<f00b4r0>
yeah I'm starting to think exactly that
<f00b4r0>
probably time to move on
<Habbie>
last year I had over a week of downtime on one VPS
<Habbie>
and they don't notify you and don't consider it a major outage
<Habbie>
i got a hetzner VM (still need to move a few things from Contabo). If you find a few coupon codes you can avoid paying Hetzner for quite some time
<f00b4r0>
neat
<Habbie>
old note
<Habbie>
2025-03-26 18:25:45 @Habbie FOSDEMxHetzner25 is 10 euro
<Habbie>
2025-03-26 18:25:49 @Habbie LTT25 is 20 euro
<Habbie>
there's also a signup bonus if you find it before you make an account
<Habbie>
coupons can be added any time after
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<f00b4r0>
hmm, hetzner is massively more expensive than contabo though, afaict
<Habbie>
i pay 4EUR/mo for a 2 vcpu 4/40 GB arm64 VM
<Habbie>
at contabo some of those numbers would have been higher, yes
<robimarko>
If you dont need it for anything serious the Oracle free tier Ampere is great
<robimarko>
Other than being free whole Oracle cloud sucks
<f00b4r0>
oh i was looking at the wrong page. I see the cloud offering now
<f00b4r0>
robimarko: heh, so is it good or does it suck? ;)
<Habbie>
robimarko, i find networking too hard to configure on it, but it's great for my arm64 build tests
<Habbie>
f00b4r0, it's a great free VM for tinkering on, in a sea of shittiness
<robimarko>
f00b4r0: VPS itself is great, but the platform is so overcomplicated that its crazy
<Habbie>
i also got some free amd64 VMs with them but they shut them down because "i was not using them"
<robimarko>
I use it for my public always ON direct link sotrage
<robimarko>
Used it for CI for some time as well, works fine
<robimarko>
Once you get the hang of the configuration
<Habbie>
i was going to use it for CI too but then i saw how cheap ubicloud was, and now github has free arm64 CI
<f00b4r0>
I have another 5 months going on with Contabo, so I have time to prepare the move. I'm also pondering self-hosting, but that may not be the best solution from a reliability pov
<f00b4r0>
but yeah it's the second time I'm having networking problem with them and the second time the first thing they ask is my login credentials, which I find mad.
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<hitech95>
I finally got audio playing on the FXS chip of the Zyxel EX5601. Now I have to figure out how to properly write a driver for my mess. Right now I'm "playing" a CSV file :D
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<hitech95>
f00b4r0, it depends. Having a device with FXS ports can be helpful. I have a Cisco ATA right now connected to asterisk.
<f00b4r0>
if you absolutely want to keep analog telephones around, I suppose it's useful. But given the downsides, I'm not sure it's really worth the effort :)
<f00b4r0>
i had an asterisk setup for a while with a bunch of FXS/FXO cards. Ditched all that to switch to native VoIP, never looked back :)
<hitech95>
Unfortunately there are many places that still have analog PBXs.
<f00b4r0>
hitech95: out of curiosity, which country are we talking about? :)
<hitech95>
Italy, lot of people have ISP routers with FXS ports. And some of SOHO are using second hand analog PBXs still to this day.
<hitech95>
what is bad is that some ISP doesnt share the credentials for the Voip so you are forced to use the provided modem
<f00b4r0>
interesting. Better move on, the clock is ticking. IIRC the deadline is 2030 in the EU
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<robimarko>
In Croatia all ISP gear still only offers FXS for telephony
<robimarko>
And they still refuse to give out VoIP and IPTV info if you are on Fiber
<f00b4r0>
nice
<f00b4r0>
though some ISPs here are the same, if I'm completely honest
<f00b4r0>
then again, fewer and fewer people are using landlines (for home use)
<robimarko>
They lobbied the regulatory body for an exemption if you are using fiber, so they dont have to provide anything other than PPoE
<f00b4r0>
sweet. Any particular reason they targeted fiber?
<robimarko>
Because they are lazy
<robimarko>
And dont want to deal with customer GPON and XGSPON
<robimarko>
Cause, they still claim that its impossible to use 3rd party gear with it
<f00b4r0>
makes sense. Here most of the bigger ISPs have been "reversed engineered" os that power users can get rid of their triple play modems, and the smaller ISPs are much more cooperative
<f00b4r0>
lol. Of course it's impossible ;)
<robimarko>
The same is true here as well, they dont even use PLOAM password
<robimarko>
Only SN for authentication and VLAN-s are known
<f00b4r0>
convenient :)
<robimarko>
Though they advertise invalid IGMP/multicast configs so your IPTV wont work
<f00b4r0>
heh
<robimarko>
It works only on GPON with the DT Glassfaser(something) SFP GPON (Rebranded Zyxel)
<robimarko>
I bought the FS XGSPON SFP and internet works great
<robimarko>
But no luck with IGMP, after debugging with FS the conclusion is that their IGMP table is incorrect
<robimarko>
As they are advertising IGMPv3 but using only transparent IGMPv2
<robimarko>
So, I cant use it
<hitech95>
robimarko, oh my ISP uses MAC address, SN and PLOAM. thei are a PITA but once I got all the data I can use any ONT.
<hitech95>
f00b4r0, deadline in the EU? and what they are gonna do? Disconnect the PBXs?
<robimarko>
They really dont want you to use your gear then
<minimal>
hitech95: in the UK the various telcos are migrating away from analogue telephony to SIP-based delivery (which may or may not come with a provided ATA
<hitech95>
I think that the ISPs will disconnect the twisted copper. but it will be hard. Expecially in italy. We have lot of country side and mountains.
<hitech95>
minimal, yup also here all new contracts are VOIP but with the ISP modem providing FXS ports.
<minimal>
hitech95: for the "monopoly" telco in UK they will be initially ceasing analogue telephony delivery but NOT copper-based connectivity (xDSL)
<hitech95>
Fiber is not that common in such areas and require power also fron the end user. So many still prefer an old school POTS.
<minimal>
so some customers may have SIP-based telephony over copper xDSL
<hitech95>
minimal, in the last 10-ish years VDSL is sold with SIP. ADSL generally come with POTS (due to BW constraints). Fiber(GPON) is also VoIP.
<hitech95>
The issue is the country side. lot of places has cold fiber (POPs/ OLT missing) or only served via ADSL. and the DSLAM uplink is via a microwave link using BTSs.
<hitech95>
This is the situation in the alps.
<f00b4r0>
hitech95: don't ask me. I know they've been dragging their feet here in FR for years and now it's really started. There are places where copper lines have already been torn down.
<f00b4r0>
you can't subscribe to POTS anymore, all customers terminating their POTS subscription cannot resubscribe afterwards, it's final.
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<f00b4r0>
if you only want phone (and no internet) they will provide you with an ATA for convenience, but everything is native VoIP behind the scenes
<hitech95>
f00b4r0, lol. Here in many places there is only voice as there are excenges without DSLAMs. For those user they have invented "FWA" plans.
<hitech95>
Not sue if it is possible to subscribe with POTS
<hitech95>
up to 2020 for sure it was possible.
<f00b4r0>
of course in remote areas I'd much rather have POTS and its mandatory 48h backup runtime than "no-promises-made" (and typically no actual backup at all) fiber in case of an emergency
<f00b4r0>
pretty sure people will die because they can't reach emergency responders when all of that is done, but such is "progress" ;P
<hitech95>
that is exactly my thought
<hitech95>
Got the phone to ring. I really have to clen up my mess of python code. Many of the flag I have no idea what they are/do. A simple reference manual would have been so helpful instead of using ghidra.
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<interested_dev>
Hey guys, I wish to get involved in OpenWRT development. How can I do so?
<Habbie>
one, spell it correctly ;)
<Habbie>
two, it's always easier when you have a goal
<Habbie>
supporting some device? making some piece of software run on OpenWrt?
<Habbie>
also think about what skills you have that fit the project
<interested_dev>
I have a background in high level languages
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<interested_dev>
I dont have a goal in mind yet.
<Habbie>
alright
<Habbie>
any reason you want to get into openwrt?
<interested_dev>
I am just interested in it.
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