ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput
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<Eighth_Doctor>
karolherbst: historically, different toolkits used different protocols for implementing this
<Eighth_Doctor>
and I think some compositors didn't have a unified clipboard either
<Eighth_Doctor>
but we definitely do not have support for docked/satellite windows in Wayland
<Eighth_Doctor>
window dragging was fixed with the toplevel-drag protocol
<karolherbst>
Eighth_Doctor: sure, that might be true, but a user only cares about the clipboard working, and if it doesn't, it's a problem :P
<Eighth_Doctor>
yes
<Eighth_Doctor>
at least in KDE Plasma, we have a unified clipboard
<Eighth_Doctor>
but I know that isn't the case in every environment
<karolherbst>
I think the problem I'm seeing is specific to XWayland, but not quite sure
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<Eighth_Doctor>
also I think KiCad is a wxWidgets application? so its wayland support is dependent on the toolkit wxWidgets is compiled with
<karolherbst>
but anyway, no idea about the other issues (only guesses, but don't know enough), point was more that yeah, we should have basics like copy&paste working across the ecosystem, because that's kinda something people want to rely on not getting messed up
<Eighth_Doctor>
I agree
<Eighth_Doctor>
but it's unfixable
<Eighth_Doctor>
we can't make everyone do the right thing
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<Eighth_Doctor>
that's basically the downside of the current approach of everyone doing their own thing
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<emersion>
what do you mean by "unified clipboard"?
<emersion>
i don't know about any widely spread copy/paste issues
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<Eighth_Doctor>
gluing the xwayland and wayland clipboards requires some clipboard management
<Eighth_Doctor>
not everyone has that out of the box
<emersion>
i don't know of anyone who hasn't implemented wl/x11 clipboard sync
<psykose>
xwayland-satellite has a few bugs around it i think
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<llyyr>
bugs are different from intentionally doing a different thing, which is what is being claimed above
<llyyr>
I also don't know any wayland compositor with xwayland support that has any issues
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<karolherbst>
I run into copy&paste issues on mutter pretty much every week at least once
<karolherbst>
it's kinda weird.. never know if it was your fault or the computers, but copying the same value over and over again won't make it visible either except you copy something different and try again, then it starts to work
<emersion>
maybe open a bug report?
<linkmauve>
I’ve been using Mutter for close to two years and never encountered a single copy/paste issue, unless on Weston which I was using previously.
<karolherbst>
there was one already last time I checked
<karolherbst>
I do think it's related to XWayland somehow
<karolherbst>
though for me it pastes the old content of the clipboard
<karolherbst>
so maybe there are a few more issues or it's the same
<karolherbst>
ohh it talks about two issues, well the first one is the one I'm seeing, but haven't really bothered finding out correlation between the occurances
<karolherbst>
those technical details don't matter to users who press "ctrl+c" and it fails on "ctrl+v"
<ebassi>
karolherbst: but primary selection is *not* ctrl+c/ctrl+v
<ebassi>
pointedly so
<ebassi>
so I fail to see the relevance
<karolherbst>
okay fair, I mean, I don't know the terms, all I know is, that doing "ctrl+c" and "ctrl+v" sometimes simply doesn't work
<ebassi>
I mean, my well-known position is that primary selection was a mistake
<karolherbst>
and I wished it would work reliably
<ebassi>
I weird xterm relic transplanted right into wayland because sysadmins begged red hat to make it happen
<ebassi>
but, yes: it should at least work reliably
* any1
has always preferred primary selection to ctrl-c/ctrl-v
<ebassi>
(not that I believe it possible, either, because there's nothing that explains how it *should* behave)
<karolherbst>
I'm sure if somebody would have known the answer of fixing it it would already had been fixed, but if there is a take away from that blog, I think it's reasonable to expect that copy&paste would be figured out in the future. But yeah.. maybe somebody with the tech knowledge should start writing a more reliable reproducer of the issue so it's way
<karolherbst>
easier to test&verify
<karolherbst>
maybe I should start writing down where I copied from and tried to copy to the next time it happens
<jadahl>
karolherbst: you still, on gnome, have x11-wayland clipboard integration issues? I know we had in the past some releases ago, but can't remember I saw any issues for a long while
<karolherbst>
fedora42 atm
<karolherbst>
but yeah
<karolherbst>
just had it this or last week the last time
<jadahl>
ah, primary selection, not clipboard?
<karolherbst>
I don't know :)
<karolherbst>
just "ctrl+c" and "ctrl-v" rarely not working
<kennylevinsen>
primary selection is when you "copy" by just selecting text, and "paste" by middle-clicking
<jadahl>
so if you see it again, a bug report could be good still, and at least list what the source and target apps whether it was Xwayland or Wayland
<kennylevinsen>
(and if said source app was still running at the time of paste)
<jadahl>
that too
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<karolherbst>
yeah it was running
<karolherbst>
that I know of :D
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